F1 Records Unlikely To Be Broken

**D28** · 24th April 2014, 14:41

journeyman racer:

"Alright, I'll take this low amount of winning even further. Phil Hill has the record for the least amount of wins in a career for a champion, with 3. Is anyone going to "beat" that? Nicky Hayden has, embarrassingly imo, equalled that in motogp".

Mlke Hawthorn also has 3 career wins total. In fairness to both there were far fewer races then; both are Le Mans winners Hill 3 times, along many other sports car classics.

How about Hill's record of Le Mans Sebring wins plus Belgian and Italian GPs all in one year (1961)

**D-Type** · 24th April 2014, 16:44

In today's era of specialisation, we simply won't see [top] drivers racing in multiple categories such as F1, sports cars and touring cars.

Other notable 'hat tricks' are AJ Foyt's Indianapolis, Le Mans and Daytona 500, Mario Andretti's Indianapolis, Daytona 500 and F1 Championship, or Jacky Ickx's Le Mans, Bathurst, Paris-Dakar and German (Nurburgring) GP foursome.

**journeyman racer** · 24th April 2014, 16:47

I forgot about Hawthorn's 3 wins. I think it must've slipped my mind because his were spread out. Whereas PHill had 1 win in 60, then 2 in 61. His record on 61 you've nominated is unlikely to be repeated, because the motorsport "world" doesn't lend itself to even attempt it. I'm not knocking those drivers. But I'm saying it'd be hard to "better" it. A title without a win? (I could see it happening in WRC though). A career with a title, but only 2 wins? I reckon it'd be easier to get the most wins in a season.

I've thought of another one, particularly in the context of the increased amount of races, the last 5+ years. Prost and Raikkonnen's record of most wins and not winning the title? (7 in 84 and 88 for Prost. Raikkonnen in 05).

**Rollo** · 25th April 2014, 03:11

In the 1961 Belgian Grand Prix, the Ferraris finished 1-2-3-4. I don't suppose that that's likely again in a hurry.

**D-Type** · 25th April 2014, 10:03

For some reason, nobody comes close to Fangio's wins to starts ratio. The only reason I can think of is that Fangio was an experienced driver when he started in F1 with a top team.

**D28** · 25th April 2014, 22:25

Originally Posted by D-Type

For some reason, nobody comes close to Fangio's wins to starts ratio. The only reason I can think of is that Fangio was an experienced driver when he started in F1 with a top team.

That is a likely explanation; Ascari is 2nd and for the same reasons. Interestingly Michael Schumacher was very close to Ascari when he retired first time 36.5% compared to 39.4; but this of course decreased with his 58 extra races. I doubt if Schumacher cared too much this stat, he just enjoyed racing.

**D28** · 27th April 2014, 18:03

A dubious achievement perhaps, Arrows F1 team raced for 24 years, 368 races without a win. Sometimes competitive, they scored 5 seconds and led some races, but victory always eluded them. I can't see anyone lasting that long again, given the financial considerations.

**journeyman racer** · 29th April 2014, 13:57

Kubica's win counts for Sauber, does it?

**D28** · 29th April 2014, 16:27

Originally Posted by journeyman racer

Kubica's win counts for Sauber, does it?

It's a bit complicated; the team went from Sauber to BMW Sauber and back to Sauber in 2010.
Officially Robert Kubica won the 2008 Canadian GP for BMW Sauber.
The team in both guises has been around since 1993, still a bit less than Arrows.

**rjbetty** · 2nd May 2014, 06:28

I don´t know if this has been mentioned,

But seeing as this is an issue this week:

Hopefully we should never see the record for most driver fatalities in a season broken. I wonder what is the highest; I remember reading the statistic that first motivated Jackie Stewart to begin his campaign for safety; when he sat down and counted how many drivers had lost their lives. I think it was 32 in something like less than 4 years.