Farage v Clegg - EU debates.

[steveaki13]

So it seems to appear that UKIP have topped the EU polls here.

Thanks everybody. It does appear that the British population are all idiots.

What because they dont agree with you? (I didnt vote UKIP by the way) Its just I hate blanket statements about voters who people always assume they are better than.

I fully back everyone who voted for UKIP thats there decision and if its not what I voted for the majority wins. Thats democracy.

France voted most seats for a Nationalist party, Spains main two partys advantage was slashed and Germany had a anti Europe candidate win its first seat. Seems discontent is spreading throughout Europe

[steveaki13]

But what shall we do when we tried all posibilities and all politicians proved to be the same corrupted liars? Why should we bother to vote when nothing would change? I don't want to vote just for democracy's sake, I simply want a better life and none of our parties is able to help this.

Wrong attitude in my opinion Gadjo. Sorry to say it.

I hate the attitude of "Nothing would change"

Its like saying unless the Country gives me what I thinks right I wont bother voting and that to me seems so self centred. In a democracy you are one vote amongst all of your people.

It is the worst attitude in my opinion. I hate the constant "I am right" or everyone who doesnt vote like me ruins it.

People should be more accepting of the faults in a democracy and accept if the masses vote differently to your view and if you feel that strongly you should take action and move into politics maybe.

Its all to easy and Lazy to label people as "idiots and racists"

[gadjo_dilo]

Really? Come and live here for a year.

I don't have a problem with who votes who as I experienced even the worst type of dictatorship. My problem is that nothing ever changed no matter who had the power. Going to vote has become a waste of time and friends.

[odykas]

My problem is that nothing ever changed no matter who had the power. Going to vote has become a waste of time and friends.

This is the case almost everywhere.

The solution is to vote for other parties until somebody does it right.

The problem is that most people are not willing to change, so the situation remains as is.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

What because they dont agree with you? (I didnt vote UKIP by the way) Its just I hate blanket statements about voters who people always assume they are better than.

I fully back everyone who voted for UKIP thats there decision and if its not what I voted for the majority wins. Thats democracy.

France voted most seats for a Nationalist party, Spains main two partys advantage was slashed and Germany had a anti Europe candidate win its first seat. Seems discontent is spreading throughout Europe

Well maybe idiots is a bit strong, but I certainly think that people who have voted UKIP are misguided and foolish or perhaps ignorant because of the lack of reasoned debate about the EU.

I don't believe that many UKIP voters are aware of the core values of the party.

[steveaki13]

Well maybe idiots is a bit strong, but I certainly think that people who have voted UKIP are misguided and foolish or perhaps ignorant because of the lack of reasoned debate about the EU.

I don't believe that many UKIP voters are aware of the core values of the party.

I think its largely because the "main parties" seem determined to put off a referendum. I really believe if one really committed to a referendum and to follow through whatever the outcome was, that many more will vote for them and UKIP will fade.

As it is none of the big parties have appeared keen over the last 5 years or so to have one. Conservatives have finally promised to have one and some point. This needs to be taken more seriously as people are disillusioned and thats why they see UKIP as an option. They are talking about action soon. Rather than at some point.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I think its largely because the "main parties" seem determined to put off a referendum. I really believe if one really committed to a referendum and to follow through whatever the outcome was, that many more will vote for them and UKIP will fade.

As it is none of the big parties have appeared keen over the last 5 years or so to have one. Conservatives have finally promised to have one and some point. This needs to be taken more seriously as people are disillusioned and thats why they see UKIP as an option. They are talking about action soon. Rather than at some point.

I don't favour a referendum because I don't believe the British public are educated enough about the EU to be able to make a sensible choice. For many people all the EU gives them is immigration and non-bendy bananas sold in KGs not Ibs.

UKIP is the main reason why we can't have a reasoned debate on the EU.

[steveaki13]

You may not favour a referendum but democracy says if enough people want it you have to hold one.

If a government withholds a referendum they are going down a dodgy path which leads to even more troubles.

If the UK refused Scotland a referendum on independence then there would be trouble.

[henners88]

So it seems to appear that UKIP have topped the EU polls here.

Thanks everybody. It does appear that the British population are all idiots.

I agree. There are certain things UKIP pledge to tackle concerning immigration that I agree with, but there are more worrying policies in their agenda that I think people are not evaluating.

I hope these votes for UKIP force the current government and future governments to realise that people in the UK are sick to death of the slack immigration policies that are crippling this country and take note. We do need to be tougher, but UKIP is not the party to lead the solution IMO. I hope this is a warning rather than a desired solution!!

[steveaki13]

I hope these votes for UKIP force the current government and future governments to realise that people in the UK are sick to death of the slack immigration policies that are crippling this country and take note. We do need to be tougher, but UKIP is not the party to lead the solution IMO. I hope this is a warning rather than a desired solution!!

This is about right. The fact is that the larger parties need to take up the baton and take positive action on the things the people want. UKIP do have some questionable policies which is why I no longer vote for them, but its clear they offer certain aspects that the voters want, which the bigger parties up until now seem to have been keen to ignore.

Thus voters take action and vote for someone else. Its a protest vote IMO. Which will disappear if the Larger parties make some changes to their policies.