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31st December 2013, 14:43 #31
Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Originally Posted by FAL
UK track racing has a middle / upper class, maybe urban, image.
Rallying has had a predominantly rural, classless following. Even a number of the wealthier exponents delight in a certain absence of 'couth'
Most of my friends and acquaintances that are into motorsport also have local soccer alleigances and have done so for many years.
It is fair to say that those who are into track racing often eschew any other sporting past time.
Now if you are talking about the USA there are two distinct streams of development - the rich euro-phile Californian scene and the NASCAR / County fair dirt race, yee-hah schtick. Gurney, Revson, Gregory et al were hardly 'downmarket' To this day LM (and previously Can-AM) in the states is very much more refined than NASCAR with Indy falling somewhere between. Though,clearly NASCAR has the major following to support your statement. I was always under the impression that Baseball had a classless following given the amount of literature and cinema devoted to it.Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!
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31st December 2013, 22:15 #32
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Your picture is the exception, not mine. Don't confuse spectators of road rallying in the depths of Wales with participants in rallying in the UK in general. The duffel coat/bobble hat rallying image of the 50s England concealed a whole raft of university educated navigators (at a time when few went to uni).
The rest of Europe is even further towards rallying being in the same monied category as racing.
Have you lived in the USA? Have you experienced the appalled expressions, particularly in the populous/opinion forming North East, if you admit to "driving race cars"? I have.
In 47 years around UK rallying, I can't think of one friend/aquaintance who didn't hate football.
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2nd January 2014, 13:00 #33
Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Originally Posted by FAL
Originally Posted by FAL
Originally Posted by FALKris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!
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5th January 2014, 16:16 #34
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
To get back to the topic, instead of playing along with your attempts to score points, I don't even have relatives, friends or acquaintances OUTSIDE rallying, leave alone inside, who like football (oh, sorry, there is one, met through speed hillclimbing...). It's a myth promoted by the media that everyone in nthe UK likes to watch 22 bags of wind kicking around another bag of wind.
I'm sure those who struggle to re-create 50s rallying via RoTT, Le Jog etc. will be pleased to learn you think culinary results are the point of the exercise. Rallying DID once move away from elitism but it's ludicrous to suggest it hasn't long ago (30 years at least?) drifted back into a sport (like circuit racing and even the urban short oval and rural autograss worlds) for those with far too much money to burn.
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18th February 2014, 16:10 #35
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2002 European GP
I may have missed something obvious, but I was watching the 2002 European Grand Prix, it came a few races after Austria 02. The infamous Ferrari switch. The Ferrari team were just about to go into a hearing about the race in Austria and messing up podium procedure.
Anyway in Europe 2002 Barrichello finally won a race. In case no one remembers I will just remind you of what happened.
Barrichello & Schumi were 3rd and 4th on the grid behind the two Williams. They ran a 2 stop strategy and passed the Williams in the first couple of laps, they were 2 seconds a lap quicker than anyone else and were soon 40 seconds up the road.
Schumi then lost 10 seconds by spinning. By the end Barrichello won by 0.2 from Schumi.
I was wondering when re watching it if all was as it seems.
I mean with said hearing coming up, the Ferrari team would probably like Barrichello to win a race, and I was wondering if Schumi spun it on purpose?
I mean it was just before a stop and I wonder whether as Schumi looked quicker, whether to save him getting ahead during the stops if Rubens had a little problem that Schumi spun to give Rubens some breathing space.
He then gained back the 10 seconds so was definitely quicker and whether that was a sneaky way to make sure of the 1-2 and make it look convincing.
The fact that Nurburgring only had 2 run off's then and Schumi spun off onto one of them also made me wonder. After all it was an uncharacteristic error from Michael.
In a similar way to Chinese Qualifying 2004 when he spun to start last.
*Cue you all telling me this is a well known fact and that I have completely missed it.I still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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24th February 2014, 01:58 #36
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Re: 2002 European GP
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24th February 2014, 07:53 #37
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Team Orders were not banned in 2002. They became banned at the beginning of 2003 in response to Austria 2002 and the switch. Nothing like team orders had ever been banned before 2002, as F1 was in its traditional motorsport time line. Only 2003 and after have all the rule tweaks and changes happened.
The race in question was only a couple after the legendary switch. I think Rubens victory at Nurburgring was very timely as it came days before the hearing over the Austria-GateI still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
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25th February 2014, 19:47 #39
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Originally Posted by anfield5I still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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Re: F1 historic Bits 'n' Piece's
Quite. Let's hope Piquet really junior (Pedro - Nelson Snr's youngest son) has more integrity and common sense. He was in NZ this summer to race in the Toyota Racing Series and did very well considering he is only 15, finishing close to the top ten in all 6 of his races
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