Global warming huh?

[Tel 911S]

Don,t understand your point . The Arctic is an Ocean , there is no inland.

[donKey jote]

Really?
http://phys.org/news/2013-10-arctic-sea-ice-year.html

This September, sea ice covering the Arctic Ocean fell to the sixth lowest extent in the satellite record, which began in 1979. All of the seven lowest extents have occurred in the last seven years, since 2007.

In contrast to 2012, when sea ice reached a new record low in the satellite record, cooler conditions in the Arctic this summer helped to retain more sea ice.
[... yes, but surface area is one thing, ice volume another ...]
Arctic sea ice, however, continues to be thinner than in past years, as confirmed by direct satellite observations and estimates of ice age, and therefore more vulnerable to breakup by storms, circulating currents, and melt.

if you prefer to trust that pompous git Farage suit yourself.
Here you have the NASA data you refer to straight from NASA
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
sigh

[donKey jote]

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/14/earth-gains-a-record-amount-of-sea-ice-in-2013-earth-has-gained-19000-manhattans-of-sea-ice-since-this-date-last-year-the-largest-increase-on-record/

More data on Arctic ice increase . But these are only facts , so will get explained away as proof of global warming , somehow .????

This shows exactly how your conspiracy websites work.
The facts in his article are presented in such a way as to confuse you, and they clearly have

The yearly INCREASE is not the same as the minimum extent in that year.
As 2012 was an all time minimum (in the words of your websites "the lowest level on record" ), it's not abnormal that the delta 2013-2012 is the largest on record.
What your website conveniently ignores, is NASA's data about the 7 lowest levels on record all being in the last 7 years !

sheesh

[Tel 911S]

So, although Al Gore & the IPCC said that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013, and the NASA data shows the largest ice growth on record , it is all a conspiracy , [ not IPCC lies ] , and all of your references are true & everyone who disagrees with you are wrong .??????????????????????

[donKey jote]

So, although Al Gore & the IPCC said that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013, and the NASA data shows the largest ice growth on record , it is all a conspiracy , [ not IPCC lies ] , and all of your references are true & everyone who disagrees with you are wrong .??????????????????????

Is NASA in on your conspiracy? Look at all their data and comments, on their sites, instead of only lapping up the cherry picked junk at places like Watts et al.

From the NASA link above (actually a google cache as Obama has currently shut the US down ):
"This year's sea ice extent is substantially higher than last year's record low minimum. On Sept.16, 2012, Arctic sea ice reached its smallest extent ever recorded by satellites at 1.32 million square miles (3.41 million square kilometers). That is about half the size of the average minimum extent from 1981 to 2010."
Largest growth on record, but still the "Arctic Sea Ice Minimum in 2013 is Sixth Lowest on Record".

The real data is out there, but it's certainly up to you to carry on being a donkey, if that's what you wish

[Spafranco]

Don,t understand your point . The Arctic is an Ocean , there is no inland.

Excuse me. I was referring to all ares covered by ice , snow etc. Greenland, Labrador etc.

[Tel 911S]

Well, talking of Greenland , in 1932 [ or 1933 ] the hottest summer on record , the glacier melted back & revealed a Viking farming community that had been covered by the ice for 800 odd years .
That has been covered by the glacier again , & in the last few years archaeological investigations have had to go a long way through the ice to to find it again .
When the Vikings landed there a thousand years or so ago , it was called Greenland because it was not covered with ice .
But that fact was totally ignored by Mann in his infamous " Hockey Stick " graph which tried to claim that the MWP did not exist . .Manns hockey stick has now been so discredited that even the IPCC are too ashamed to use it any more .

[Spafranco]

Well, talking of Greenland , in 1932 [ or 1933 ] the hottest summer on record , the glacier melted back & revealed a Viking farming community that had been covered by the ice for 800 odd years .
That has been covered by the glacier again , & in the last few years archaeological investigations have had to go a long way through the ice to to find it again .
When the Vikings landed there a thousand years or so ago , it was called Greenland because it was not covered with ice .
But that fact was totally ignored by Mann in his infamous " Hockey Stick " graph which tried to claim that the MWP did not exist . .Manns hockey stick has now been so discredited that even the IPCC are too ashamed to use it any more .

Tel, I am a little confused with what your beliefs tend to be. Donkey has shown exactly why Global Warming IS factual.

Are you a denier or just someone who will not accept facts and the overwhelming acceptance of the worlds scientists who state that the threat posed is real and man is the culprit.

What is it you believe Is it that everything is as it was and a natural cycle is occurring? Then you will be asked to expalin not the number of storms but the ferocity of them where there is no equal. The last one we had here was Sandy. Have you seen the destruction caused?

[Tel 911S]

There is no proof that global warming is real . That is why the vast majority of people , the media , & most scientists [ despite Cooks unbelievable 97% concensus claim] do not believe the lies that are being told .
Manns hockey stick , Gores " Inconvenient load of lies "every claim that the Eco fraudsters have made , getting hotter , no more hard winters , Arctic ice all gone , none of these have any basis in fact .
Even your claim of more Hurricanes is shown to be totally wrong besides the fact that meteorologists say there is no link with "Global warming " & the number of storms .
So I believe in the facts , not a load of lies spouted by socialists & Eco -wackos .

No warming for 16 years , " Oh , it is hiding in the deep Oceans " . Even schoolchildren know that that is a Physical impossibility as warm water rises .

It is usually easy to tell when the liars know that their arguments are not being believed , because that is when they start personal attacks on anyone who does not believe them , like calling them deniers .

[donKey jote]

Eco fraudsters, socialists, Eco -wackos... well done, you have further discredited yourself. As if posting a Farage link wasn't enough
You say you believe "the facts" but are clearly not interested in looking past your conspiracy theory soundbites... your choice !

BTW you're still missing "CO2 is plant food" and "Dinosaurs farted just as much as cows". Shame chuck34 hasn't resurfaced for this thread... he could surely fill you in on a few more