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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    Ok.

    I thought I should give you an opportunity to see if you could actually debate.

    It seems not.

    I think its best you go back on the ignore list
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
    Quote Originally Posted by Parabolica
    After 2007 he had the world at his feet, and for whatever reason he did not take advantage of it. The 2008 title was his for the taking if he had been more forceful. Letting Ferrari be swayed by Schumachers latent influence to favour Massa in development in 2008 was a mistake. If his character is still the same, I suspect Fernando will use that as a weakness.
    That's the biggest load of bovine excrement I've read in a while. In 2008 Kimi had more bad luck than webber, that's why things went tits-up.

    I quote myself from a different forum:
    He could only qualify 15th in Australia because of mechanical failure in qualifying, therefore lost the race before it even began. Lost 2nd place in Monaco due to drive-through given for a team infraction then lost control on a wet patch after the tunnel and cluttered into Sutil. Exhaust failure in France handing the lead to Massa. Tactical fail by team in Silverstone – wrong tyres, lost lead and ended up 4th. Had to wait behind Massa in the pits during safety car at Germany, Had to queue behind Massa again after crash-gate induced safety car at Singapore. Nerfed off by Hamílton at Suzuka while in the lead. Had to let Massa through at China.

    Massa was never in the same league, but Kimi’s 2008 campaign makes Webber look like the luckiest person on earth.
    Thanks for that great post!

    I felt both sorry and angry for Kimis sake at the time.

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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    On the contrary -

    http://kimiraikkonenspace.com/2008/11/2 ... -happened/

    "Basically the tyre is going to an oversteer tendency during the
    race," says Hamashima. "Maybe the car is a little bit understeery, but
    as the tyres move more towards oversteer Kimi finds a good balance and
    as a result could get the best lap in the race."

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    "Of course, there were races where the characteristics of the circuit
    - Magny-Cours for example – meant he was able to get the tyre warm-up
    right in qualifying and was able to excel on Saturday afternoon. There
    were also times – Spa for example – where Raikkonen was able to charge
    to the front on the opening lap, and we witnessed a performance worthy
    of a world champion.

    But, the fact was, there were just too many races where his struggle
    to adapt his driving style to the understeering Ferrari F2008
    undermined his chances"

    So, as can be seen, there isn't just the "unlucky" tag to contend with in 2008.
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    And, of course, to the crux of the issue back then - and, please note, these words are from Kimi himself -

    "That is the way it is," Raikkonen recently told Finnish TV station MTV3
    when asked about his motivation. "If you know you are fighting only for
    third place then you maybe don’t have the same speed for the whole race
    as normal. If you have no chance to overtake or improve your position,
    it is definitely not very interesting. When you are driving for the
    title, naturally, things are completely different."

    http://kimiraikkonenspace.com/2008/11/2 ... -happened/

    And, for me, that was not good enough then and it won't be good enough next time if it is the same.

    As I have said, though, I really hope it is different.
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mia 01
    I felt both sorry and angry for Kimis sake at the time.
    I really hope that Ice puts his head down and embraces the technical aspect of the car; no one is questioning his ability behind the wheel yet. If he doesn't you know Fred will, and that would be to Kim’s detriment. But more importantly I hope he succeeds for your sake, because you are so seriously emotionally invested in him, and the outcome. I hope we don't have to put you on suicide watch if Fred clocks him, gurl
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    If anyone is willing to read -

    http://www.autoevolution.com/news/schum ... -1863.html

    The important part is this -

    "The German insisted that part of Kimi's loss in form in the second part of the season was because the Fin failed to adapt to the new developments introduced by Ferrari in the mid-season. I think I have to protect him in many ways, because in the middle of the season we made some developments to the car but Kimi simply didn't get on with these ones. The moment we went back to those changes, we got him back to competitive lap times,” added the former Ferrari champ"

    This was a vital issue for me. Why on earth did the reigning World Champion, the man who should be the boss of the development direction, not instantly demand that the new developments were dropped when they did not suit him?

    This must not happen again, and it shows that 2008 was about much more than simple luck.
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Parabolica
    If he doesn't do politics, he has learnt nothing.

    It isn't just Ferrari who need to understand the other party.

    Kimi needs to understand that, and so do his fans.
    I don't think he needs to be political, he just needs people that understand him around him and he's got those now: James Allison, Pat Fry (knows him from Mclaren) Slade?, Domenicali. Who has Alonso got? If he starts to be political again, he may wall end up shooting in his own foot.
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    Which Fred knows, and is honing his skills because he will need his A-game to beat Kimi, and vise versa!
    Zo aint thinking about anything except making the car fast for him. Problem is they both like the oversteerish handling so it's just like Fred and The Boss in that regard
    May the forza be with both of them.
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    I'm just saying...thaT LIKE like whatever!
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    Re: Kimi to Ferrari confirmed

    With all due respect Dex, Allison was at Renault when Alonso was winning titles there, so they will know each other too. Fry has an existing relationship with Alonso, as does Domenicali. That leaves Slade, who is almost certain to be Kimi's engineer so would not have much to do with Fernando anyway.

    Kimi failed to build.a rapport the last time he was at Ferrari, so we need to see if he has added that to his game.

    To claim Fernando has no one in his corner, when he is embedded within the team and has provided the driving leadership that was clearly lacking in Kimi's previous residency is a little premature.

    Again, for the Kimi fans, it is not his speed I question, it is the application.

    Alonso has many character faults which have been destructive in the past, but I also see that Kimi is not without genuine failings of character too.
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