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    Quote Originally Posted by anfield5 View Post
    ...and was overtaken on the last lap by Villeneuve to finish 3rd (after Schumi had overtaken him a couple of laps earlier).
    Schumacher didn't pass Hill that day, he finished fourth. Villeneuve won from Damon and Johnny Herbert (in a Sauber, if memory serves me well).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parabolica View Post
    Playing Devils Advocate, it is my opinion that Hill was the beneficiary of factors which have always been overlooked or played down.

    The Bridgestone tyres that he was using were, I suspect, the best tyre to be on that day. For sure, he made good use of them, but he had a major tyre advantage.

    In many ways, it compares to Maldanados race win last year, where a specific car and a specific set-up worked.

    Of course, no other Bridgestone runner was competitive, but at that time Hill was the only one who could be considered capable. Panis was injured, Trulli New and Diniz distinctly third rate. Nakano about the same.

    So, for me, a good drive, an unlucky one, but not necessarily one of the best.
    Now that this thread has been bumped, and having the chance to read it again with time having passed. This opinion of Parabolica's, clearly points out to me the narrow mindedness of fans.

    Damon Hill puts in one of the all-time great/surprise memorable drives ever in F1. Dominating a GP in an Arrows-Yamaha combination of all things, and no doubt should've won. Then we get "Oh, but he was using Bridgestone tyres. They were the best tyres to use. He was lucky" Nonsense.

    Then on the flipside. Michael Schumacher wins 5 titles on the trot, with the single biggest contributor in performance being Bridgestone. Yet this fact is never acknowledged. Except by me, on various forums. Bridgestone however, is blamed for Ferrari's lack of performance and success in 05. Don't forget though, Ferrari/Schumacher's only win in 05, was due Bridgestone providing a better tyre.

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    Obviously too many to choose from, but for fun let's say Schumacher in Malaysia in 1999. He was doing all the tricks, deliberately held others up and deliberately finished second. Irvine might have won the race, but in reality this race was pure Schumacher Show.

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    One which was really nice, and forgotten is Jarno Trulli's drive to 6th at Spain for Prost in 1999, in a race with almost modern day levels of retirements (at least amongst the frontrunners) i.e. precious few to speak of.

    BTW does anyone remember Rubens moaning about an overtaking move Damon put on him for 7th at turn 5 late in that race? It was very good but had Ruby very unhappy afterwards, 10 years before his infamous "Blah Blah Blah" episode at the same track. To add further insult, he was then disqualified!
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    Philippe Streiff finished 3rd at Adelaide in 1985 despite coming together with his Ligier team mate Jacques Laffite, busting his front left wheel and suspension and drove the last lap of the race with only three wheels in working order.

    He was not offered a return drive for 1986.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Philippe Streiff finished 3rd at Adelaide in 1985 despite coming together with his Ligier team mate Jacques Laffite, busting his front left wheel and suspension and drove the last lap of the race with only three wheels in working order.

    He was not offered a return drive for 1986.
    That's a good one. What about Laffite two races earlier at Brands Hatch. Apparently he was out of the points having had problems, but his race pace was supreme. Think he got up to 7th in the end but he was something like the fastest out there, and got fastest lap I think.

    Pierluigi Martini's 5th for Minardi in Spain '94, beating Eddie Irvine, has a similar feel to it as Trulli's I mentioned 5 years later.

    Rubens Barrichello at Adelaide that year, on for a podium on merit before getting a stop-go penalty. He still finished 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anfield5 View Post
    Damon Hill 1997 Hungarian GP. Stunning drive in an absolute dog of a car, dominated the weekend would have won easily, but for a 3rd party piece of engineering letting him down, something in the hydraulics... Should have been Arrows first and only win
    ... or poor Patrese leading the 1978 South African GP for 37 laps after Andretti and Scheckter fell off the pace w/tire problems. Then on lap 64 of 78 his engine let go.
    At least Peterson won, Patrick Depailler putting in a good show for Tyrell.

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    Speaking of the South African GP…

    Here’s one that completely slipped my mind from a Road & Track race report I read long ago:

    http://en.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/67825.html

    Rhodesian driver John Love, one of the last of the private entries I believe, was piloting a Cooper T79 power by 2.7-litre Climax for the 1967 South African GP. It was the first time that an official F1 race was scheduled at the Kyalami circuit, so most GP regulars weren’t as familiar with the “racing surface” as Love was, so he qualified a respectable 5th on the grid, only to fall back once the green flag flew.

    After the race attrition took its’ toll of the heavy weights (Clark, Stewart, Rindt, Gurney, G.Hill, etc.) Love was gathering himself back up the field, with just Hulme in front. On lap 61, Hulme encountered some problems and had to pit, in which now Love found himself in the lead – ahead of Pedro Rodriguez.

    Unfortunately he encountered fuel-feed problems with 7 laps to go, and had to pit for more fuel; only later to discover there was a problem with the fuel pump. He finished 2nd, some 25+ seconds behind Rodriguez.

    On note of that fuel pump: John Love arrived at the circuit with two fuel pumps, lending one of them to another private works entrant, Rob Walker’s pilot, Jo Siffert. The pump that ended up in RW’s car was suppose to go into Love’s Cooper instead.
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    Charlie Cox raced a stormer at Brands Hatch in 1995. The track was soaking and he made a clever move to take on some wets while others struggled for grip. Yes, this obviously put him in a far better position to move through the field, but seeing a lovable, independent score the best overall finishing position for a privateer and picking off all the works teams along the way was a joy.
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    I am madly trying to find a look see at the last half hour of Bathurst 1984. David Parsons made up 59 seconds to finish second in the race and I want to see it.
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