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    Belgian G.P. Spa

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    2013
    Tyres - Hard (prime, red) and Medium (option, white)

    2012*
    Tyres - Hard (prime, silver) and Medium (option, white)
    Pole - Jenson Button
    Winner - Jenson Button (Medium - Hard)

    2011
    Tyres - Medium (prime, white) and Soft (option, yellow)
    Pole - Sebastian Vettel
    Winner - Sebastian Vettel (Soft - Soft - Soft - Medium)

    2012 - Jenson Button
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZzM-... Lap - YouTube
    This is going to be Mercedes vs Ferrari....Ferrari will be stronger.
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    Not if Ferrari is in the same shape as the last two races, they won't. And don't count out the RB's. Vettel came from 11th on the grid to second last year. I'd say Nico and Lewis are the favourites (Nico was generally quite good in Spa), but they'll get a run for their money from Vettel and Kimi. Nothing short of blatant cheating would get Ferrari into contention again. Since Barcelona, where they won due to a clever strategy on clown-tyres that have by now been fixed, they haven't shown nuff anything and I can't see them salvaging this season, else they'll start 2014 on the defense as well.
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    Ferrari is overrated and out of the running for WC. That is why the reply to what he would want for birthday from Alonso (another car), he knows it well. Ferrari has been greatly overrated this year. They had a couple of good races, but their pace has never been a match to Red Bull, only due to some incredible driving from Alonso did they get good results. But even he can't make up the distance compared to better cars now. Mercedes will be quick I am sure, but might have problems in S2 with tyres overheating over a race distance. Lotus will probably struggle with tyre temperatures, as it usually is not very hot at Spa. Red Bull will once again most likely be the quickest car, just as they were in Hungary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker
    Red Bull will once again most likely be the quickest car, just as they were in Hungary.
    That's why they won with such a great margin Being quick in practice, when you're on your own and can use a setup optimized for lap time is one thing. In race trimj they've usually been a lot less dominant, especially as they can't get to the pole with Merc's freakish qualifying pace. I'd say on the revised tyres, the Merc is slightly ahead of the RB and even the Lotus is not that far behind in race trim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
    That's why they won with such a great margin Being quick in practice, when you're on your own and can use a setup optimized for lap time is one thing. In race trimj they've usually been a lot less dominant, especially as they can't get to the pole with Merc's freakish qualifying pace. I'd say on the revised tyres, the Merc is slightly ahead of the RB and even the Lotus is not that far behind in race trim.
    Red Bull messed up the qualy for Webber and their other driver did not get the perfect lap in qualy (made mistakes), whereas Hamilton did. From then on it was complicated for them, because it is hard to overtake at Hungary. Even Red Bull themselves admitted to Ted Kravitz they thought they had the fastest car of the weekend. There is no way Mercedes was faster than Red Bull on race pace at Hungary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker
    There is no way Mercedes was faster than Red Bull on race pace at Hungary.
    They might not be faster on raw numbers, but what they're lacking is the huge honking achilles heel of the Red Bull. the RB is designed for optimizing lap times - truck loads of downforce traded for straightline speed. That's a lethal combination if they start from pole, but if not they're out of the running. That's what the Merc doesn't have. Due to the straightline deficit Vettel got stuck behind a dawdling old man in a Volvo (aka J. Button) and that ruined his race.
    The RB might be fastest on paper in the same way as Achilles was stronger than Patroklos, but like Achilles, the RB has a huge honking weakness, which makes it possible to defeat them easily if you have a lightning quick qualifier like Heartbroken!Lewis and a bit of luck (Button in the way). It worked out often enough in the past for RB, but if the Mercs keep up to steal poles, Seb could still lose this years championship to Lewis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
    They might not be faster on raw numbers, but what they're lacking is the huge honking achilles heel of the Red Bull. the RB is designed for optimizing lap times - truck loads of downforce traded for straightline speed. That's a lethal combination if they start from pole, but if not they're out of the running. That's what the Merc doesn't have. Due to the straightline deficit Vettel got stuck behind a dawdling old man in a Volvo (aka J. Button) and that ruined his race.
    Dawdling old man in a Volvo . Good one.

    The RB might be fastest on paper in the same way as Achilles was stronger than Patroklos, but like Achilles, the RB has a huge honking weakness, which makes it possible to defeat them easily if you have a lightning quick qualifier like Heartbroken!Lewis and a bit of luck (Button in the way). It worked out often enough in the past for RB, but if the Mercs keep up to steal poles, Seb could still lose this years championship to Lewis.
    On other tracks, where overtaking is easier, Red Bull will not have problems overtaking slower cars. Hungary was a just a special case. Besides that, Mercedes will still have races where they will have tyre troubles. Red Bull is always there, always very fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
    They might not be faster on raw numbers, but what they're lacking is the huge honking achilles heel of the Red Bull. the RB is designed for optimizing lap times - truck loads of downforce traded for straightline speed. That's a lethal combination if they start from pole, but if not they're out of the running. That's what the Merc doesn't have. Due to the straightline deficit Vettel got stuck behind a dawdling old man in a Volvo (aka J. Button) and that ruined his race.
    The RB might be fastest on paper in the same way as Achilles was stronger than Patroklos, but like Achilles, the RB has a huge honking weakness, which makes it possible to defeat them easily if you have a lightning quick qualifier like Heartbroken!Lewis and a bit of luck (Button in the way). It worked out often enough in the past for RB, but if the Mercs keep up to steal poles, Seb could still lose this years championship to Lewis.
    Exactly!

    If one were to look at the speed traps, they would see this clearly.

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    18	1	Sebastian Vettel	14:53:56	298.7
    19	12	Esteban Gutierrez	14:42:14	297.9
    20	2	Mark Webber	14:17:31	297.7
    21	8	Romain Grosjean	14:33:38	297.6
    22	7	Kimi Räikkönen	14:42:38	294.1
    Yes, Red Bull and Lotus had the lowest top speed. Which is Vettel and Grosjean struggled so much behind Button - both were on the limiter.

    This is why Grsojean couldn't get Fernando after hounding him for half of the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker
    On other tracks, where overtaking is easier, Red Bull will not have problems overtaking slower cars. Hungary was a just a special case. Besides that, Mercedes will still have races where they will have tyre troubles. Red Bull is always there, always very fast.
    The overtaking conundrum is a constant for Red Bull. A straightline deficit is catastrophic news on a fast track like Spa or Monza. Especially with cars like McLaren and FI suffering a lack of downforce, which makes them faster on the straight. They'll probably still get past, but if they need 3 laps to pull it off, Lewis is off and away by then. They only had the McLarens to worry about last year and they could rely on McMerc either effing up a pitstop or blowing up some part or other. This year the Mercedes are in the mix and that wasn't in the script...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
    The overtaking conundrum is a constant for Red Bull. A straightline deficit is catastrophic news on a fast track like Spa or Monza. Especially with cars like McLaren and FI suffering a lack of downforce, which makes them faster on the straight. They'll probably still get past, but if they need 3 laps to pull it off, Lewis is off and away by then. They only had the McLarens to worry about last year and they could rely on McMerc either effing up a pitstop or blowing up some part or other. This year the Mercedes are in the mix and that wasn't in the script...
    Well, we'll see. I think the superior speed of Red Bull and the DRS will help them past their rivals, even if they have top-speed deficit.
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