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12th April 2007, 03:04 #21
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Originally Posted by Dazz9908When in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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12th April 2007, 08:42 #22
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I simply stated that is simply not the case. He CLEARLY has matured as a driver from his rookie days. If your taking that back, and now saying he has matured from his rookie days, but we shouldn't praise that because it's to be expected, that's fair enough, I agree. But your original comment was that from his error in Malaysia suggested he hadn't matured since his rookie days. When it's clear for all to see he has matured a lot, especially in the past year and a half
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12th April 2007, 08:48 #23
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12th April 2007, 09:13 #24
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Iīm not a Massa fan, but one thing has to be said:
At least he tried to overtake. Thatīs more that can be said about other drivers. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but if you donīt try and just sit back and wait for it to come... Ask RS and his "overtakings".
Of course Massa makes mistakes. 72 races and making mistakes is the most normal thing. Heīs human. Even MS made stupid mistakes with more than 200 races and 7 WDCīs. These things happen, and you canīt crucify a pilot for a bad day. Massa has had a lot of bad days... and is still seen as a hot-headed-car-wrecker (sic), and I think thatīs something you canīt forget.
In my opinion thereīs more "rightful bashing" based on his past performances instead of at the last race. For me, heīs not a future WDC, heīs not a great racer, he can be fast and heīs unconsistent. But nothing is decided from last week performance.Cuando el grajo vuela bajo hace un frío del carajo
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When the crow is flying low, itīs ****ing freezing cold
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12th April 2007, 09:13 #25
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Originally Posted by raphael123
1) In my view Massa has improved as a driver. Watching him race the Sauber in his rookie season was...entertaining...to say the least, and erratic at best! We don't now see, for example, the frequent and excessive steering corrections we saw then. That's an improvement.
2) Despite the improvement there is still a lack of maturity which should have developed through experience. The errors he made in Malaysia, while understandable to a degree as he was trying to make up places, were those of a desperate driver, not a mature one. He was not planning or controlling his battle with Hamilton, but was reacting to Hamilton's driving.
If Felipe wants to beat Kimi and win the WDC he will need to improve and mature as a driver. It's not going to happen until he does, and the clock is ticking.Riccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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12th April 2007, 10:15 #26
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
That was the only thing I disagreed with your original post. Everything you've said since I've agreed with. I simply disagreed with your suggestion that Massa hasn't matured since his debut season, which is clearly incorrect. He may not be mature enough still, but he has matured.
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12th April 2007, 12:29 #27
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Originally Posted by Malllen"But it aint how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done." Rocky.
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12th April 2007, 12:35 #28Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
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12th April 2007, 12:38 #29
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Originally Posted by Malllen
Can we at least say that he tried to overtake which is almost impossible in F1 these days and provided us with some entertainment value besides the normal prossesional follow my leader"But it aint how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done." Rocky.
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12th April 2007, 12:38 #30
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Schumacher wasn't embarrassed when he made that 'mistake' in Monaco last year, as a 7 x WC who is paid Ģ30m. Should Massa be for that?
Though it was obviously a mistake, I was happy to see him push Hamilton and attempt to get passed. Better than Kimi who just sat back - though he later claimed it was down to restrictions on his engine.
Fourmaux. Btw msport tested also hankook tyres https://youtu.be/DESKqpAqX5o?si=3uxWc8FrCUGMT0Pi https://youtu.be/sHetcbBQwKk?si=M7kq3bf2ar3Slhco
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