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10th April 2007, 09:16 #11
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Originally Posted by ioanRiccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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10th April 2007, 09:43 #12
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I think Massa has shown his potential. He's obviously more on top of the car than Kimi. He has been the pace setter in the team all through winter testing, and was looking the stronger of the two in Oz before his car let him down. And same again in Malaysia, where he was the pace setter, and probably had a slight edge on Kimi in the race in terms of speed too. Just a shame his race-craft let him down. Saying that Kimi has said his pace was compromised due to the worry over his engine. Quite telling that Kimi never even got close enough to attempt a move.
To say Massa hasn't matured since his early f1 days shows how fickle people are these days. Massa, in the last year and a half is by far the most improved driver in F1. Ok, he made a mistake, but he's still a serious contender for race wins this season, especially when he has the best car on the grid, and his team-mate still seems to be settling in.
I think people are being harsh on him definately. I think a good race in Bahrain, and people will be raving about him again. What I've found most surprising is how Massa has generally been the quicker of the two (Massa and Kimi). Kimi definately needs to up his game if he wants to be regarded the quickest in F1. I don't think many people would argue against the fact that Alonso is currently the greatest driver on the grid. The impact Hamilton has made, has in a way relieved some pressure from Alonso, and taken away what an awesome job he's done so far. I wouldn't classify myself as an Alonso fan, far from it, but I can't help but admire the guy! In a way he's like Schumacher, without the unsportmanship and lying traits.
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10th April 2007, 11:41 #13
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Originally Posted by Mark"But it aint how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done." Rocky.
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10th April 2007, 12:13 #14Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Pace during the testing season and out-qualifying Kimi when he is conserving his engine is barely valuable or worthwhile in the long run - it means **** all if the results aren't there, which, thus far, they aren't.
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10th April 2007, 12:14 #15
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Originally Posted by raphael123Riccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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10th April 2007, 12:47 #16
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Well, I believe that Massa has a top-class raw speed and has speed to match anyone's pace, but he just somehow hasn't found the right balance how to act in battles. After Australia he was criticized for being too passive and not overtaking cars soon enough. On the contrary in Malaysia he was too aggressive. Over- or underaggressive...
He has to sit down and think over his behaviour on racing tracks. He has potential and it's a real shame that he is wasting his potential with such manouvers. If this continues, Felipe will start reminding me Montoya - a good raw speed, but a lot of errors, which become faithful for title hopes.
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10th April 2007, 15:33 #17
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Massa has always been overrated. He was Ferrari's protege from the beginning, and even when he was testing that Ferrari (was that 2002) most of us talked of him as a hot-headed car-wrecking racer. Personally, I never uderstoof why JT rates him so high.
Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
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10th April 2007, 17:24 #18
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One thing for sure: you can safely take Hamilton off the rookie list.
This is especially important to Massa, who IMO, made his mistakes because he thought it would be easy to overtake Hamilton and his focus at that moment was wrongly placed at Alonso
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11th April 2007, 07:55 #19
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Just read on PitPass that Massa admits he made the "mistake" which was more of a calculated risk than a mistake. Where I think he blew his chance was right at the beginning of the race - 1. Not cutting FA off at the start (MS-style) and then 2. Not slotting in between FA and LH at the first turn.
I do have to admit that he didn't lose his composure after going off and pulled back into 5th in a conservative drive rather than try another risky move and lose even more positions. So he showed some immaturity and some maturity in the same race."You can mop the blood up later." - R.A. Lafferty
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11th April 2007, 10:02 #20
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Yeah, Felipe said that he desperately needed to get past Hamilton, because he was going to pit earlier than the Brit. He wanted to take a risk to fight for win instead of settling for 3rd place.
As for Bahrain, then I suppose Massa has again good chances of taking pole position, but it would be interesting to see, how will he drive in the race and whether he acts somehow differently than in Malaysia (at the race start and in battles - if there are going to be any).
First leg he will be thinking in Portuguese championship. Then he can go for WRC2.
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