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18th April 2013, 00:06 #11
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Originally Posted by RS
- Gutierrez - simply not ready for an F1 seat. a year of Friday practices like bottas would have helped him. Sauber would have had a better lineup with Hulkenberg and Kobayashi. It is no accident that these teams who got rid of solid drivers are struggling....speaking off
- van de Garde - simply not fast enough, or good enough. Yes I know the machine sucks, but he has made like 10x as man mistakes as pic. And usally has something to say in the interviews how it isn't his fault. Looks like Kovy is getting ready to replace him.
- Perez - simply a disappointing and my previous thoughts about him seem to be holding true. yes he was on fire in Malaysia, and did well in Canada and Monza, but disappeared the rest of the year with a competitive car. In fact, even with those 3 performances, Kobayshi was probably the better driver, throughout the year. He has simply not acclimated to the mclaren in what should be a better car than the sauber. I always thought that hulkenberg should have gotten that seat. But Ron Dennis got caught up with the Perez fairy tale and made a rash decision as well as quickly trying to prove that they had moved on from Hamilton. In many ways trying to usurp the Hamilton Mercedes move coverage.
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- DiResta - who has been under-performing for 2 years now. I hope Force India don't do the same mistake as Toyota did in having a potentially race winning car undermined by solid but not great drivers. the 2013 Force India is easily the 4th or 5th best car depending on the track. Sutil is doing the car justice but sadly, suffering from a string of bad luck and incidents. DiResta just never seems to get the most out of the car. If Hulkenberg had shown just a fraction more patience and passed Hamilton in the DRS zone, we would be talking about Force India's maiden victory. I'd let DiResta finish out the year, then snap up webber for a year, or Bianchi, and then have a 3rd driver waiting in the wings like razia, etc.you can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:08 #12
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Originally Posted by henners88
3 races in varied conditions and situations are a good barometer
perez, guiterrez and Geido
jury still out on DiResta
I mean..what else do we have to talk aboutyou can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:11 #13
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Originally Posted by AndyL
and will it also be fair to say that, despite those well argued points, that perez has still made his fair share of mistakes?
I hope for his and mclaren's sake that both he and the car get sorted out. but his comments, body language and overall attitude as compared tot he usual dire Button is troubleingyou can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:15 #14
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Originally Posted by Koz
he simply wasn't ready and useless he has a major turnaround, this will damage his very, very young career.
I think the fault squarely falls no Sauber. No driver will say no to an F1 seat. What they saw that made them think he was ready is beyond me.
Especially with a new car. At least retain one driver with a baseline of the previous car. even as a 3rd driver. Maybe Caterham are on to somethingyou can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:17 #15
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Originally Posted by msratingsyou can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:23 #16
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Originally Posted by jensyou can't argue with results.
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18th April 2013, 00:26 #17
Perez is a case of way too much confidence, the poor fellow started believing his own hype.
Happened as soon as he signed for McLaren - a knee jerk reaction which isn't paying off well.
If he doesn't get a good result in the next few races, he might not recover from the slump - if it is one.
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18th April 2013, 13:02 #18
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It is hard to say after only three races, but there is a distinct lack of quality in some of the drivers at the moment. Its hard to tell whether this is early season rustiness, or something worse.
Underperforming drivers:
Gutierrez - a massive step backwards, prove to errors and slow
Grosjean - looks miles off Raikkonen, although he finished ahead of him in Malaysia. They need two solid drivers to have a chance of both titles.
Maldonado - probably trying too hard in a slow car, the Williams has reverted to 2011 style.
Too early to tell:
Bottas - 11th in Malaysia was quietly impressive, but I think I expected more considering the hype
Chilton - hasn't made any errors really, can't complain, but slower than Bianchi
Perez - the car has been poor, Button has been quicker but he is a very good driver. We'll see if it works out.
Overperforming:
Bianchi - future champion, he looks awesome in the Marussia. I expect him in a good seat for 2014, or even Ferrari by 2015.
Hulkenberg - should be in a better car, outdriving the Sauber at the moment
Sutil - putting di Resta in his place after returning to the team, looking forward to seeing this battle throughout the year.Niente è vero, tutto è permesso
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18th April 2013, 13:57 #19
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Undoubtedly it is Chico. If he really a great driver that was hyped/expected then he hasn't shown it. I feel he should be giving JB a hard time by now because they really great drivers have little in the way of excuse - they extract the maximum straight out of the box.
Hulk needs to be in a top team with a proven team mate to see how he really matches up.
Bottas looking good as he is already giving some grief Mad Dog.
Bianchi - I'm impressed. Marussia were touted as being better than Caterham and he has proven it. Chilton can't live with him - stereotypical pay-driver/F1 reject.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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18th April 2013, 20:10 #20
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Originally Posted by Bezza
Obviously Bianchi is fast, has some qualities, is "competitive" in F1 terms. But I take some time before deciding whether he is more than just decent.
TBH I dont get why some places have anti-cut devices when other identical kind of places allow huge cutting and the throwing of dirt all over the road.
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