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16th April 2013, 19:52 #101
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Originally Posted by Garry WalkerHa'wey Hamilton, bring the WDC crown home and the beers are on me :up:
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16th April 2013, 19:58 #102
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grosjean's position in the championship doesn't tell the full story. on sheer pace grosjean matched kimi.
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17th April 2013, 01:39 #103Originally Posted by Boudica
Grosjean beat Kimi 10-9 in qualifying.
Yes, he did move backwards in the races, I attribute that to his inexperience rather than Kimi set up or Lotus being a bad car - and it should have won at Bahrain (Kimi's rustiness) and especially in Hungary (where Kimi was clearly quicker than Hamilton, but had no space to overtake).
As we have seen, with warm track temperature Lotus was at least second fastest car on the track, in races. On cooler tracks, their performance was worse.
And just like Kimi, every race that he finished he was in the points - something we cannot say for anyone except the Vettel, Kimi, Fred and Lewis.
Also, in the races that he did finish, Grosjean was also never more than two places lower than Kimi. Usually he was the guy just behind Kimi. What do you make of that?
Does that make Grosjean a bad driver or Lotus a bad car? Consistency suggests otherwise.
I do not believe anyone can fault Grosjean's pace, his inexperience and proclivity for crashing, yes.
Up to the mid-season break, I have to say, Lotus was one of the best cars on the grid for most races, after that they couldn't maintain development.
Nor am I taking anything away from Kimi, he is one of the best drives on the grid. Equally driver of the season with Alonso, Hamilton.
Originally Posted by Boudica
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17th April 2013, 01:54 #104Originally Posted by webberf1Originally Posted by faster69
The rumour mill had aleady started in late 2007 that he would be replaced by Alonso. And I recall an attitude of preference towards Massa by the end of that season. If Kimi wasn't world champion in 2007, Alonso would have replaced him in 2008.
The fact that it was Kimi that was replaced at Ferrari and the massive gamble of an injured Massa - whilst still paying Kimi, IIRC, 25 million to sit out a season of F1?
That surely implies some sort of personal issues, rather than anything related to his racing abilities.
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17th April 2013, 20:18 #105
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The rumours about Kimi are getting stronger. Anyway, it would be interesting and looking forward to it.
It would pose a critical issue for Lotus though - who should they hire to fill the void left by Kimi? But this is for another thread.
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17th April 2013, 20:28 #106
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It would also pose a critical issue for Red Bull — what's the point of Toro Rosso if it can't produce any drivers to fill the void Webber's departure would leave?
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18th April 2013, 05:12 #107
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Originally Posted by BDunnellIt is our target to have the same engine as Red Bull Racing is using, to use the synergies that are possible from the regulations side, that is the reason why," he said about the change of supplier."We are in negotiations with Renault and then we will see. No contract has been signed so far."
Toro Rosso believes the move to Renault will help it make competitive gains because it will be able to work more closely with its sister team, as well as be able to use Red Bull's gearbox rather than have to make its own.VERSTAPPEN: ‘If I’d let Sainz past, dad would’ve kicked me in the nuts!’
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18th April 2013, 05:47 #108
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Kimi was pissed off in his last year at Ferrari. He had just won a (rather fortunate) Wdc and was being benched. Would piss me off too.
Im rather uneasy with the prospect of having 4 renault powered bulls out there. They can afford to have a decent driver in Webbers seat and have a couple of rear gunners.
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18th April 2013, 10:29 #109
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i don't think it affected his performance much. 07 there wasn't much between massa and kimi, except massa had more retirements. the expectation was that he'd blow massa away like schumacher did. 08 there wasn't much between them either.
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18th April 2013, 14:11 #110
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Alonso how well do vettel and kimi get on ? F1Today.net - Formule 1-nieuws, live verslag, live updates, f1 test, uitslagen, gp2, gp3
A photo of Webber dining with Red Bull's arch-enemy Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso in Dubai was posted on the drivers' Twitter feeds, triggering another wave of rumours. Marko said: "It's nice that there are at least two friends in formula one."VERSTAPPEN: ‘If I’d let Sainz past, dad would’ve kicked me in the nuts!’
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