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    True, Starter, but say a team could get a used Dallara roller for $75-100,000 and an engine lease from Honda comparable to Cosworth compared to $300,000 for a NEW car with CC to go racing, when you talk about backups and the like, there's a difference in cost this year to go racing.

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    Agree, but it's probably a half-million dollar item-plus for a couple cars and spares. For a smaller team, that's pretty good-sized dollars.

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    I suspect unless they get a driver who brings a sponsor, they don't have the dough to even start the season in theory. Yet another victim of the open wheeled wars....
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    My guess

    Penske: Hornish, Castroneves
    Ganassi: Wheldon, Dixon
    AGR: Kanaan, Andretti, Franchitti, Patrick
    Panther: Matsuura, Meira
    Rahal: Sharp, Simmons
    Foyt: Manning
    Vision: Scheckter, Carpenter, Foyt
    Cahill: Mitrisin, Duno
    D&R: Fisher? Rice? Camara?
    Fernandez: Chesson?
    The only thing that doesn't lie in racing is the stopwatch. (Derek Daly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetch
    My guess

    Penske: Hornish, Castroneves
    Ganassi: Wheldon, Dixon
    AGR: Kanaan, Andretti, Franchitti, Patrick
    Panther: Matsuura, Meira
    Rahal: Sharp, Simmons
    Foyt: Manning
    Vision: Scheckter, Carpenter, Foyt
    Cahill: Mitrisin, Duno
    D&R: Fisher? Rice? Camara?
    Fernandez: Chesson?
    Is there any truth to the rumor that Rice stopped by R-L and picked up his old seat and dropped it off at D&R?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indycool
    True, Starter, but say a team could get a used Dallara roller for $75-100,000 and an engine lease from Honda comparable to Cosworth compared to $300,000 for a NEW car with CC to go racing, when you talk about backups and the like, there's a difference in cost this year to go racing.
    I thought for 2007, the Honda lease alone was almost $900,000. Have they gotten it down lower than that for the coming season?

    If that's in the ballpark, the CCWS lease (chassis, engine and tires) for $1 million, would seem to be a pretty cost effective way to go.

    My guess is the IRL will begin announcing a lease deal soon. There are already apparently some "lease" deals in in the IRL. But my guess is, they'll make them more formal (and public) fairly soon.
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    Jag, I think there were lease deals in the IRL at the start back in the '90s with the new cars and I think there are probably lease deals plus "you-break-it-you-fix-it" deals between regular series teams and one-offs for Indy, in addition to whatever the engine lease might be (that was reported to drop dramatically for Indy one-offs last year).

    An IRL deal for a used roller being less, the engine lease being a little more and tires probably the same might make the deals pretty comparable. I hadn't heard the $900,000 figure from Honda before. Only thing I'd heard was "less than a million," so I don't know any more about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter
    The car & motor are the smaller parts of a season. Spares, tires, crew, transporter, travel costs, shop, etc. etc. make up the larger part. Those would be more or less equal across both series. So, basically, the only place the IRL has a (cost) leg up is the chassis itself - assuming a used one of course.
    Spares have always been a bigger part of the budget, especially on ovals. You can lose three corners quickly. Without ovals, CC has put itself in a much better operating cost position. In a new chassis year that is very important, it will mean less shortages of critical parts, even cheap ones that were initially overlooked.

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    weefly, they don't knock corners off at concrete canyons?

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    Sounds like they will scrape the 18 together - maybe even 20 overall if Cahill is for real.
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