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26th March 2013, 10:06 #11
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Button overrated? I recall there was some guy among us who really overrated him but we kind of gave him good and his gone now... the one with the metaphysics and stuff...
For me the most overrated champion is the very best ever, the one and only, Michael Schumacher. He was talented and had a very good run but in this sport it matters a lot to be in the right place at the right moment. A footballer might look brilliant in a $h1t team but put the best driver in the worst car and he'll be nowhere. I think there plenty of others with 1,2 or 3 WDC, who in the same circumstances would have done the same as the best ever... But I think Bieber has the potential to climb on top of the list if he wins a few more titles.
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26th March 2013, 10:22 #12
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26th March 2013, 14:45 #13
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Originally Posted by Big Benкак могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю
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26th March 2013, 14:56 #14
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster.
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26th March 2013, 15:01 #15
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It's not matching the story that is told over here, but then this is Germanyland, where Schumacher was styled as the son of god, so I guess there were a few 'cosmetic changes' to history. But that doesn't change the fact that Schumacher didn't just luck into the best team. He endured 4 seasons of moderate success, before really taking off.
как могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю
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26th March 2013, 15:10 #16
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster.
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26th March 2013, 15:15 #17Originally Posted by Big BenWhen you're tired of rallying...you're tired of life
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26th March 2013, 18:22 #18
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Originally Posted by Big BenI still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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26th March 2013, 18:40 #19
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IMO there are very few overrated drivers and quite a lot of underrated ones
Vettel, like him or not is a 3x back-to back-to back WDC winner, and already showed his pace in a torro rosso the year before.
Now he is still a spoiled and petulant brat, and not as god as Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton in pure racecraft, but not that far behind as some would like to believe
Anybody slagging Schumacher off is really not being honest with themselves. 7X WDC champion, holder of almost every significant F1 record, and while I am far from being a fan of his, I do respect his achievements and racecraft. There is no denying it. to me if anything, last year proved that he still had it and would have finished high in the points of not for lady bad luck. Then again some might argue that it was Karma for all those years of dubious decisions going his and Ferrari's way.
Damon Hill is one of the few that I think is underrated, but not by much. I don't think he was a spectacular driver, but He should have been a 2X WDC champion and I wonder how that conversation about him would be different.
Prost to me was a better driver than Senna. And should have been a 5X WDC winner if not of some ridiculous points systems back in the day. Losing a championship despite scoring more points and having a better season. People like to hail Senna too much IMO and I think (oh the blasphemy) is slightly overrated in comparison to his peers. Was he an excellent driver, yes, was he the best, not in my book. I think the Senna lore comes from an incredible PR machine, combined with his young death and his larger than life character, while he was alive. For those of us old enough to remember him as a driver, and watched his entire career, There were a few other guys on the track that were more than a match for him. Mansell and Piquet, and of course Prost. Piquet was lightning quick, and was more like the kimi of his time. Was a 3X WDC champ and on his day pretty untouchable. Mansell was a bit of an enigma but no denying his racecraft. and if not for a blown tire could have been a 2x WDC winner.
and Finally to Jacques Villeneuve who seems, particularly in this forum, to get mocked quite a bit. Folks forget that he was a very very good driver (arguably better than his father IMO) and before coming to F1 as a phenom, was already and IndyCar Champ, His rookie year was sensational, his 2nd year won the title, and by the 3rd year with a diminished Williams and a notoriously fickle and ridiculous driver management approach of Williams was falling out of favor, mostly due to the fact the team loved to blame the drivers for thir poor results rather than the car. The rest of his career will be defined by an ill advised but noble move to BAR. He should have gone to Ferrari, but of course MSC would have none of that. and imagine how different his career would have looked if he did.
ok, my apologies for the overly long post.you can't argue with results.
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26th March 2013, 18:47 #20Originally Posted by zako85
As for overrated drivers, I'm beginning to question how good Hulkenberg really is. I like the kid. But it seems like there's a piece to the puzzle that's often missing with him. The same goes for di Resta. But at least we don't have to hear about how Heinz-Harald Frentzen is just as fast as Michael Schumacher anymore. Now that was one overrated (under performing) mope, right there."Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
Morning guys, bank holiday here so taking it easy. Have I missed anything? :D
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