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Thread: Team Orders
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25th March 2013, 10:20 #21Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Webber stated publicly before Brazil that he would not give way to Vettel. Whilst he eventually did concede, at least he is a man who can keep his word.
Vettel, on the other hand, agreed not to pass after the final set of pit stops.
First he demanded Mark be moved out of the way.
Then after the final pit-stops he moved ahead anyway...
Then he claimed he didn't know about team orders...
Then he admitted he did and passed anyway...
Then said he was sorry... presumably only because he got caught out by the media.
And yes, it is Red Bull's fault that they have procured a driver who now knows he is above the team.
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25th March 2013, 10:29 #22
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster.
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25th March 2013, 10:42 #23
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I personally don't like team orders, but since they can't be properly policed they may as well be legal as they are now. In the case of Sunday I think both teams were actually just trying to preserve the cars and/or fuel, and in that instance I don't really have issue with it. But I would still much rather that the cars had both fuel and tires to actually race.
The US coverage showed both Horner and Brawn with their heads in their hands when the on track whining and action was taking place between team cars. It was priceless!
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25th March 2013, 10:59 #24
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Originally Posted by airshifterWhen in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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25th March 2013, 12:51 #25
Does anyone think Red Bull will chastise Vettel for blatantly ignoring team orders? I'm not sure they will but I think they really need to, no driver is bigger than the team.. or at least shouldn't be.
Banning him for a race, as has been suggested, is not in the teams best interests. Telling Seb to let Mark past near the end of the next race to even things up again would probably be the best solution.... but if he chose to also ignore that they would have no other choice other than to sack him.
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25th March 2013, 14:18 #26
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Nobody apart from the teams and clear #1 drivers like team orders. However, when it's impossible to seperate team orders from a team sport, you really must question why people get angry about it. Just a waste of time.
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25th March 2013, 15:30 #27
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If there were no team orders F1 would certainly be more boring.
The inter-team rivalry is one aspect which makes the sport truly fascinating. Prost v Senna is one of the all time great rivalries in the world of sports.
The win at all cost mentality is in some cases like an anthropological/psychological study - the length and depths drivers will sink low to get what they want. Alonso being a perfect example but also I remember someone (Peter Windsor?) recounted when Frank Williams was lying in hospital worse for wear after his car crippling car crash Nelson Piquet tried to convince Frank that he made him number one driver!The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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25th March 2013, 15:48 #28
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Originally Posted by wedge
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25th March 2013, 15:53 #29
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Originally Posted by Knock-on
Likewise when team orders were banned there were all sorts of shenanigans with odd pitstops to favour one teammate over the other or the infamous "Fernando is faster than you, do you understand?" rubbish.
If you want to be insanely purist then split strategies should also be banned when they are opposed by the drivers who may feel that they have been given the one thats less likely to succeed.
Its not pleasant to watch but team orders have always been part of F1, its just that sometimes its better hidden than at others. There really isn't that much point getting stressed over the issue.
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25th March 2013, 18:26 #30
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I agree with most above.
I was thinking today at work and thought about this.
I wonder if teams are more strict on team orders now, because F1 has become more on edge now through cost cutting.
I mean now. As soon as a team has a position in the bag, they turn it all down quicker these days as Engines, Gear Boxes and Tyres are so delicate they dont want 1 second more stress than needed.
Maybe F1 with less restrictions is the answer.I still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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