Team Orders

[steveaki13]

In light of the two sets of team orders we saw in the Malaysian GP this morning I wanted to gauge the attitude here on team orders.

Lets not get into slagging off particular teams or drivers, but lets look at the merits of team orders and historic use of team orders and If we think they have a place in F1.

We have seen teamorders from a strategy point of view, a championship point of view, a bringing the sport into disrepute view and ignored team orders view.

Then they were banned for a few years.

Lets talk. :

[markabilly]

ban

[wedge]

I don't have a problem with it.

Only way of banning it is running single car teams.

[markabilly]

okay, ban teams, not orders

[AndyL]

Only way of banning it is running single car teams.

Indeed. I think a lot of fans wish that team orders didn't exist, but we have to recognise that, like drug abuse or slavery, banning it does not make it go away. It's better that it be in the open.

Webber tacitly admitted in the post-race interviews that he had complied with team orders during the time they were banned.

[steveaki13]

I don't have a problem with it.

Only way of banning it is running single car teams.

Neither do I on the whole.

The teams put up the money and pay the drivers and it is a team sport.

There are ways which make it better or worse. The Oz 98 or Austria 2002 are the ways not to go about it.

[steveaki13]

Indeed. I think a lot of fans wish that team orders didn't exist, but we have to recognise that, like drug abuse or slavery, banning it does not make it go away. It's better that it be in the open.

Webber tacitly admitted in the post-race interviews that he had complied with team orders during the time they were banned.

Its where team orders end I suppose. I mean in times when orders were banned, and a team had 2 cars running 1 stop and 2 stop, there would always be codes to stop one driver ruining the others strategy.

[markabilly]

Like I said in the other thread

I think that fair is fair, and webber should have won.

OTOH, while not appearing to be as dangerous as it used to be, it is still dangerous out there. You take any driver who puts it all on the line, and got to where he is by not backing off but going for it, risking his life for glory and victory. Do you think that he is going to be peeing in his panties merely from the fear of some relatively minor consequences from ignoring some team order from someone in sitting in an armchair???

He might obey, just as a tiger does in a circus, but it ain't natural.

Never has been and never will be.....

[A FONDO]

It is not important if team orders are oficially banned/persecuted or not. If the common opinion (fans and independent media) is against them, teams will not even think to use them in this multi-million sport, you can be sure about that. What I am dissatisfied with is how many people congratulate that spineless Rosberg and criticize Vettel for "taking unneeded risks".

[dj_bytedisaster]

I remain of the opinion that bothe the Vettel and Rosberg discussion wouldn't be had, if the teams had common sense enough not to apply team orders this early in the season. I understand the use of them in the later races, when the title is on the line, but in the second race?
I also would understand at Monaco, where an overtaking manovre is most likely to end in the armco, but not on the widest track in the calender with two huge arse straights with prime overtaking spots.