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Thread: Pirelli 2013 ?
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2nd July 2013, 11:47 #281
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Originally Posted by wedge
Now to bring back in season testing for cars and tyres and we'll be better off.Rule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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2nd July 2013, 21:58 #282
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I might have been a bit hasty in condemning Pirelli if teams were operating them outside of maximum parameters. I think I will wait and see what comes out but I suspect lessons will be learned all around.
As for our latest (re) incarnation, I'm flattered. I must have really made an impression on the poor lad
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2nd July 2013, 22:32 #283
"A series of different causes led to the tyre failures at silverstone: rear tyres mounted the wrong way round, low tyre pressures, extreme cambers and high kerbs" - Pirelli, explanation on Silverstone’ facts and next races
Looks like this time teams goes too far...
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3rd July 2013, 02:56 #284
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I'm seeing that the teams were running tyres on the opposite side than they should have, with outside guideline cambers and pressures. The same team's which voted down a change in construction. The FIA would not let representative cars be used for in season testing, yet Pirelli are getting most of the flack. Sure, they probably should have developed tyres with more tolerance, or been firmer or outside parameter usage, but for me the teams and the FIA are equally culpable.
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3rd July 2013, 06:45 #285
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By the way, why are left and right tires made differently? I assume it's because because most F1 circuits run clockwise, so the left side tires have to be made tougher?
The next issue is even stranger. Why do teams swap the left and right tires to the opposite sides?
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3rd July 2013, 07:59 #286
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Originally Posted by zako85Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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3rd July 2013, 08:01 #287
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Originally Posted by zako85
I must try that with the durex tonight....Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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3rd July 2013, 08:02 #288
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But, the teams all bitching about unsafe may come back to haunt them given how they have been running the tyres - effectively willingly putting their own drivers at risk with - as DC said - 'driver killers'
Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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3rd July 2013, 08:10 #289
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If it is true that some teams have been using some tyres backwards or ignoring the Pirelli recommended PSi levels, then tighter moderation needs to take place in each pit garage. Pirelli are being asked by the week to chance tyre compounds and try new things, yet they have limited testing and are expected to be full proof straight off. If the teams are then using them against guidelines, then its hardly surprising we are going to see failures. I can't quite believe the teams would push the safety risks just to gain a few tenths. This of course may not be true at this point.
The problem we have now is nobody wants to take responsibility and the teams are trying to cover their backsides..
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3rd July 2013, 08:21 #290
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Originally Posted by zako85
In part from the link above provided by Skory:
"The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tyre. So swapping the tyres round has an effect on how they work in certain conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope with the very high loads that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are particularly aggressive."
This seems strange at first, but when you consider the loads on these tires it makes sense. It appears Pirelli are factoring in the various G loads and designing based on such loads.
What I want to know is why the teams are swapping, and if they will incur punishment for doing so. If they swapped the tires intentionally, or for that matter ran tires out of pressure or camber specs, they introduced the danger created on track when the tires failed.
If I was Pirelli I would be requesting the data from the teams concerning pressures.
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