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18th February 2013, 19:27 #1
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What car is it?
Could you help me please identify this car? All I know it's the picture is from 1955 and the event is Rally Rome-Liege-Rome. I just would like to know what make and model this is?
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18th February 2013, 20:04 #2
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Salmson 2300 Sport. The driver is Paul Guiraud.
S-DV 9032; TO V33681; VLE 756X; IN-NL 67; IN-NZ 9; 704 EXC 75; 294 FPF 75; TO-89095-H; K-AM 5803; K-AM 6983; L 555 BAT; N6 MRE; 206 NDP 75; X20 SRT; S600 WRT; 23 DDM 92; WOB VW 369; SP 1013...
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18th February 2013, 20:21 #3
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Wow, that was quick reply. Thanks Kielder but are you sure it is Salmson 2300 Sport? I just checked photos on Google and the results are a bit different. I mean it somehow looks similar but not entirely. It has much bigger fenders (both front and back) and also the shape of radiator intake is different (more roundish I'd say). Was it a some kind of special modified works car maybe?
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18th February 2013, 20:29 #4
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To err is human. It's Peugeot 203 Special:
Here you have a great thread about LRL: Liege Rome Liege
Here is the answer to the doubt between 2300 and 203: 203S-DV 9032; TO V33681; VLE 756X; IN-NL 67; IN-NZ 9; 704 EXC 75; 294 FPF 75; TO-89095-H; K-AM 5803; K-AM 6983; L 555 BAT; N6 MRE; 206 NDP 75; X20 SRT; S600 WRT; 23 DDM 92; WOB VW 369; SP 1013...
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18th February 2013, 21:03 #5
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Thank you very much Kielder for your replies and those links. Again when comparing photos on Google I can hardly believe that this is 203. Especially when looking at the hood and grille - it differs very much from the standard version. And one more thing, I cannot find any other photos of this car - was is a very rare model (it's a cabriolet I guess) or something? Do you have any more information on it maybe?
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18th February 2013, 21:55 #6
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There are other photos on the Forum Auto Liege thread linked above (a thread started there by Carles, also a member on here).
The Liege never ran to "FIA homologated" regulations, so anything went (not that what we call Appendix J - the FIA vehicle regs for Internationals - existed in the form we now know it in 1955)
Appears to be standard shape except for a new front end to look a bit like a then current Italian GT.
A great pity that thread, almost immediately it was started, got extended to include the post 1964 "Marathon" at the Nurburgring. That event was not the "Liege" and should not be associated with the original rally.
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18th February 2013, 21:57 #7
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Originally Posted by grisza
On this thread from a Australian forum you can find a lot of information: The Boring 203 ThreadS-DV 9032; TO V33681; VLE 756X; IN-NL 67; IN-NZ 9; 704 EXC 75; 294 FPF 75; TO-89095-H; K-AM 5803; K-AM 6983; L 555 BAT; N6 MRE; 206 NDP 75; X20 SRT; S600 WRT; 23 DDM 92; WOB VW 369; SP 1013...
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18th February 2013, 21:59 #8
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Originally Posted by grisza
On this thread from a Australian forum you can find a lot of information: The Boring 203 ThreadS-DV 9032; TO V33681; VLE 756X; IN-NL 67; IN-NZ 9; 704 EXC 75; 294 FPF 75; TO-89095-H; K-AM 5803; K-AM 6983; L 555 BAT; N6 MRE; 206 NDP 75; X20 SRT; S600 WRT; 23 DDM 92; WOB VW 369; SP 1013...
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Many thanks for solving that mystery for me. So it was only one prototype build (modified) by Paul Barbier and driven by Paul Guiraud.
And as we speak on Peugeot 203, I noticed it had a quite successive record in rallying back in the mid 50's. But I'm not sure what model it was - a 4 door saloon, or coupe?
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In the Safari they were standard 4-door saloons in absolutely standard specification.
What was allowed would depend on the individual rally regulations. Some allowed only saloons, some, like the Alpine, the Tulip and the Liege allowed sports cars, and some went somewhere in between. Likewise whether cars could be modified and whether one-off prototypes were permitted also varied. With different classes for diferent categories - usually.Duncan Rollo
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