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    Quote Originally Posted by rjbetty
    What about Fisi?
    Jarno is much much faster
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    I like Karthikeyan, but others deserve that drive more. He would definitely score points, but not that many...

    It would have a bit of an Inoue/Footwork 95 feel to it for me, though nowhere near as bad.

    As for teams taking on pay drivers, it's not ideal, but the situation dictates this is how it's gotta be. That article on f1rejects about Arrows and Tom Walkinshaw living dangerously was very eye-opening. I particularly remember Jackie Oliver (Arrows boss for years) saying how important it is first and foremost to simply survive, THEN worry about being competitive - in THAT order. I totally agree.

    I think it's very short-sighted of people to say they aren't "racers" by taking pay drivers, but if pay drivers weren't taken the team would close down! Arrows tried to go down the "racer" route by hiring Frentzen and securing Cosworth engines for 2002. The team enjoyed competitive performances, and I believe that with money and development, that car would have been the 4th best out there. But the engine price tag was extortionate, and Frentzen sued - the team promptly went bust.

    I'd rather Marussia choose Chilton and Razia anyday if that's what it takes to keep the team on the grid. I think Jackie Oliver was very wise knowing when to "attack" and when you just need to survive and simply remain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pino
    Jarno is much much faster
    Has he bribed you with wine to say that?

    Alas I think that is correct (maybe take out one of the "much"s though)
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    I think he gets to much flack.

    In an HRT it was hard to prove much really.

    Remember his time at Jordan (same team of course), he did a solid job and wasn't way behind Thiago Monteiro.

    And of course was an amazing 4th in the USA GP 2005. mokin: Thats not bad is it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjbetty
    I like Karthikeyan, but others deserve that drive more. He would definitely score points, but not that many...

    It would have a bit of an Inoue/Footwork 95 feel to it for me, though nowhere near as bad.

    As for teams taking on pay drivers, it's not ideal, but the situation dictates this is how it's gotta be. That article on f1rejects about Arrows and Tom Walkinshaw living dangerously was very eye-opening. I particularly remember Jackie Oliver (Arrows boss for years) saying how important it is first and foremost to simply survive, THEN worry about being competitive - in THAT order. I totally agree.

    I think it's very short-sighted of people to say they aren't "racers" by taking pay drivers, but if pay drivers weren't taken the team would close down! Arrows tried to go down the "racer" route by hiring Frentzen and securing Cosworth engines for 2002. The team enjoyed competitive performances, and I believe that with money and development, that car would have been the 4th best out there. But the engine price tag was extortionate, and Frentzen sued - the team promptly went bust.

    I'd rather Marussia choose Chilton and Razia anyday if that's what it takes to keep the team on the grid. I think Jackie Oliver was very wise knowing when to "attack" and when you just need to survive and simply remain.
    You know it. Its more important for me to have teams on the grid. 13+ ideally and thentop 26 qualify. Anyway off topic but its much better to have some good drivers further down and more teams than 5 or 6 teams and only the worlds best.

    F1 has always had 2 tiers. One of World Class F1 drivers and tier 2 of adequate racers keeping the soul of F1 alive.

    For me it is not a big issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveaki13
    I think he gets to much flack.

    In an HRT it was hard to prove much really.

    Remember his time at Jordan (same team of course), he did a solid job and wasn't way behind Thiago Monteiro.

    And of course was an amazing 4th in the USA GP 2005. mokin: Thats not bad is it.
    Yeah it's easy to forget that Narain has scored points in F1! He is good in wet which isn't a mark of a talentless driver. He was 2.5sec faster than Monteiro in damp Melbourne qualifying in 2005, on equal terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjbetty
    Yeah it's easy to forget that Narain has scored points in F1!
    All 5 of them coming in the 2005 US GP
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
    All 5 of them coming in the 2005 US GP
    He weaved his way through the carnage brilliantly.

    In all seriousness though, taking away that. He did OK in 2005 in a poor Jordan/Midland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz
    Karthikeyan in Force India link | F1 News | Feb 2013 | Crash.Net

    I really hope this isn't the case. We have too many talentless drivers as it is, I don't want to see another seat sold.

    Mr Mallya can't be that desperate, can he?
    I surely hope not.

    If he gets a seat then that would be a huge slap in the face to Kamui Kobayashi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Jones
    I surely hope not.

    If he gets a seat then that would be a huge slap in the face to Kamui Kobayashi.
    ...and he would be my instant second driver allowing me to finally spend the money on a top driver in FGP!
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