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    Quote Originally Posted by lars75
    What ages where Webber and Irvine before they made their debut at F1? What did they win in the feeder series before F1?
    Webber was 25, Irvine was very nearly 28. Both had moderate success in feeder categories.

    I'll pass judgement on Giedo, as Kobayashi had a pretty average pre-F1 record yet still made an impact.

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    Giedo van der Garde gets 2nd Caterham seat

    Marussia could benefit financially. They are currently 10th overall and Caterham 11th, mostly because Marussia have a more-reliable car than Caterham do. Any penalty that the FIA imposes on Caterham this year could affect them further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spensonlizids
    Marussia could benefit financially. They are currently 10th overall and Caterham 11th, mostly because Marussia have a more-reliable car than Caterham do. Any penalty that the FIA imposes on Caterham this year could affect them further.
    Hey almost made some sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveaki13
    Hey almost made some sense.
    Because it's a copy of a post made on another forum a year ago:
    HRT complains to FIA about Caterham - GTPlanet Forums

    Can't we get rid of this joker now?

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    Haha all the hate inhere because Giedo got the 2nd seat Dutch powaaa
    I think we need to just wait before judging people. Give the poor guy a chance, maby he blow your minds away haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamleader
    Haha all the hate inhere because Giedo got the 2nd seat Dutch powaaa
    I think we need to just wait before judging people. Give the poor guy a chance, maby he blow your minds away haha
    I hope so.

    I personally hope he and Caterham do really well.

    You're right it is unfair to judge drivers before they at least have a couple of F1 drives.

    People might argue that he didnt achieve much in lower formule, but who knows what will happen when the get into F1. Lets wat and see
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    I agree.

    Really hoping all 4 bottom drivers can show well.

    Do we think that van der Garde is a better bet than Christijan Albers? I think he could be and will be.
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    Interesting to compare him to Albers and for a bit of fun I thought I would have a look and see how well it was Albers done. To see what his career highlights were in F1. (Not great but for those interested some good moments for him)

    2005
    He started in Spain & Monaco 14th on the grid, due to problems for others and BARs exclusion

    I recall in Canada he qualified 16th ahead of Friesacher & both Jordans. Then he finished 5th in the joke US GP.

    The German GP he qualified a fine 16th only 3.2 seconds off pole compared to the Minardi average of 5 to 6. He finished 13th out of 18 finishers. Only 2 laps down and ahead of Trullis Toyota, Villeneuves Sauber, the two Jordans & Doornbos. That was a fantastic effort.

    In Brazil 16th only 2.7 seconds off pole.
    In the crazy 2005 Japanese GP with the damp conditions, he managed 13th on the grid out of 20.


    2006 he had a slightly better car in the Midland, his strength was Qualifying but didnt manage a point in the races.

    In Malaysia he made it to Q2 and started 15th of 22. Finished 12th of 15.
    In Oz started 17th ahead of a Toro Rosso & BMW finished 11th of 12.


    In Monaco started 16th and he finished 12th out of 17. Just 1 lap down and ahead of Speeds Toro Rosso, Villeneuve BMW, his team mate Monteiro, Sato & Trulli (who had issues)

    In the US got into Q2 and was 14th on the grid. His best quali of the season. Ahead of his teammate, both Red Bulls, both Super Aguris, a Toro Rosso, a Toyota & a Williams.

    In France 15th of 22 again a decent effort.

    In the wet in Hungary Monteiro & Albers finished 9th & 10th.

    In Japan 16th again ahead of Both Red Bulls and Toro Rosso.

    In 2007 he obivously only had half a season, but it was quite poor. Retiring from most races and only running towards the back in those he finished. Also Quali was mostly in 19th-22nd.

    His best Quali was 17th & his best Race finish was 14th of 16 in Bahrain.
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    That was good to read. Thanks for posting. Albers and van der Garde look like being on a similar level to me at first glance, so he should be alright.

    (Just really wish they'd kept Petrov though... )
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