Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The noise, the lack of of big aero and the fact many of the older cars were bigger saloons, made them seems more exciting. The drivers also threw them around a lot and were sideways more often.

[doubled1978]

A Rally2 car is much faster that a early 2000's WRCar, its quite long time ago some finish guy (sunninen?) drove John Hauglands testroad in a Škoda R5 40 sek faster than Colin McRae in a Focus WRC.
They use around 5min on this particular road.

Is it just the sound that makes the old WRC feel faster, or are there the change of drivingteqnic with less oversteer style that makes it like this?

Or is it just us old farts wishing in to be faster?

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The sound is a big part of it, and particularly back then with the Group A cars when they had the bigger restrictors. From 95 onwards they all sounded a bit rubbish because they didn’t rev. That didn’t change until 2011 when they went to the 1.6 engine cars.
Driving techniques probably a bit too, but if you have all the top guys driving Rally2 type cars, they will be pushing like hell and it will be spectacular, and there will be plenty of them.
My only concession would be to give them a bit more power and noise, I bet that can be achieved by allowing them to breathe a bit better alone.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Running 34mm restrictors is allowed in some UK Championships and this can make a big difference. One very average driver with this power won 3 stages on the BRC Jim Clark Rally vs Fourmaux.

[bomber21]

Make Rally2 the top class, give them bigger spoilers, improve the sound, use e-fuel and promote it as eco friendly.

And see what happens.

[Us44]

It seems that the 34mm restrictor can make a huge difference - https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2023/?s=427051

Vaidotas Žala was driving a R5 Skoda with a 34mm restrictor and in the end he was almost a minute faster than everyone else. He's a very fast driver, but I think that the 34mm restrictor also helped quite a bit and the competition was also not slow.

[meh]

Make Rally2 the top class, give them bigger spoilers, improve the sound, use e-fuel and promote it as eco friendly.

And see what happens.

Rally1 happens

[skarderud]

Rally1 happens

Rally1 is a dead horse. Quit whip it.

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[seb_sh]

Group A was spectacular because of the noise and driving style, even if technically the cars were a step down from Group B or WRC that followed. Besides power and aero I think a lot of the spectacle is due to suspension and tyres. Since Group A there was a lot of development in that area so cars run much smoother and look less dramatic. I've been watching Passats de Canto videos on youtube lately, they upload a lot of Group A stuff and it's quite fun to see them slide around on gravel and bounce quite visibly on tarmac.

Unfortunately it seems the WRC is missing the point once again, the product itself is not the issue, maybe some small tweaks to the format can be done but I will say it again the main issue is lack of top level cars. In Estonia there were only 8 at the start but we were lucky nobody had major issues so there was something to follow for most of the rally. Just to take some example, if Evans had a puncture and Loubet took a wheel off again then Hyundai would have told Neuville and Lappi to hold position and there would be no fight to follow. I think if there would be around 15 top class cars starting the event a lot of the issues would be resolved by the increased competition. Maybe 1 or 2 would be pay drivers and always be at the rear but I'm pretty sure there are enough interesting drivers to make a more interesting lineup. Another advantage is youngsters get more seat time in the top cars. As several have mentioned recently it's a big step and if only a few drivers are in those cars it's very hard for someone new to step up and so the chance of having someone dominate is increased in my opinion.

[Managarium]

So today I've grabbed a local croatian car magazine.
There was an subject of salaries in motorsport.

najplaćeniji = most payed

milijuna = millions

They are talking in €

[bomber21]

I highly doubt.