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    We might actually end up in a situation where Serderidis will be nominated to score points! After all, it only takes two WRC cars to retire, and Serderidis to finish and he will be in a potential point scoring situation!

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    i don't think citroen has future with that kind of approach.I really can't understand why they have small budget.When a big company like citroen enter a world championship must spent some money that goes without saying.I dont think if they spent money wrc they will bunkrupt.i really can't understand their logic(if there is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    he mentions about the spirit inside the team. Seems there is a serious problem
    There was a pretty big problem, but things improved a lot mid way through last year and helped further with the introduction of Besse.

    Meeke didn't feel the support from a few members of the team and felt he wasn't listened to on a number of issues with the car/ what updates they needed to bring.

    The penny started to drop when Mikkelsen severely severely struggled in Sardinia, and with Loeb + Mikkelsen both making it clear the car was very difficult to drive even reasonably quickly, in certain conditions. The man who penned and oversaw the designing of the C3 was moved aside, as well as a few other Citroen personnel being moved on. Arrogance and risk taking in the designing and engineering phase cost the team a lot and it took the team a while to realise and admit this (maybe somewhat understandable considering the success that has poured out of this team for 15+years).

    There's still a lot of work to do though, and it's a disappointment they've got a smaller budget this year. Even more so when you factor in that they've got Sheikh Khalid's money pumped into the team. If it wasn't for him, I'd guess that Citroen wouldn't even be in the WRC this year.

    However this 2018 season could go one of two ways imo; If Citroen can get the car to the drivers liking and improve it even further on all events/ surfaces, this year could be a springboard to get them back to having a full assault in both championships in 2019 (with an increased budget, a proper 3 car team and the addition of a top driver like Ogier). But if they can't find a way to get this car to be more driver friendly, and get Meeke and Breen consistently on the pace on most events, I fear this will be their last season in the WRC and they'll just withdraw.

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    Already noting Breen's test... and I'm not talking about his off but there is one video he slides quiet WIDE at the rear and a similar video of the Toyota... JML controls the situation.. so perhaps Citroen still haven't gotten that Wild Tail issue fixed...

    In saying that - I know conditions are different between the Toyota and Citroen Test ie Road, Ice, Snow etc.
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    I'm pretty sure the Ogier ship has sailed for good. There was this whole episode with Loeb and when they tried to get him last year they didn't put in a proper offer. He will retire with M-Sport the only question is when.

    Citroen should have tied down Mikkelsen when they had the chance.

    If they continue in 2019 they have to either grab Sordo or Paddon or go for a youngster like Tidemand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watson View Post

    If they continue in 2019 they have to either grab Sordo or Paddon or go for a youngster like Tidemand.
    Of course Meeke's and Breen's 2018 performances will make a difference. Will they improve or will they be even weaker than last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Of course Meeke's and Breen's 2018 performances will make a difference. Will they improve or will they be even weaker than last year?
    I was talking of third driver options. I think Meeke and Breen are more than decent drivers.

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    Anyway you put it, this very well could be Citroën's last year in the WRC, certainly hope not...
    If in doubt, flat out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nafpaktos View Post
    i don't think citroen has future with that kind of approach.I really can't understand why they have small budget.When a big company like citroen enter a world championship must spent some money that goes without saying.I dont think if they spent money wrc they will bunkrupt.i really can't understand their logic(if there is).
    Apparently, PSA budget cuts were intensified after Opel/VX buy. For sure it's a bit shocking to see Citroen running in such a controlled way, but it’d be worse for the WRC if they had decided to pull out. For now we can just hope the C3 will be fixed and budget restrictions eased up for ’19, if they stick to the original 3 year commitment.

    Btw, the rumour about Peugeot taking WRC program makes no sense. Finot (PSA Motorsport boss) made it clear: each group brand would have a single major program and Peugeot is investing in WRX, with 2020 EVs introduction in mind (the future 208 street car is also expected to be launched with an electric version).
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    Maybe after all Skoda will replace Citroen..

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