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    Quote Originally Posted by noel157 View Post
    Ohlins were tested on the car in a French/Spanish test earlier this year.
    My friend reminded about a photo from #Test3, early June 2016 in Finland, with guys in Öhlins jackets. So they've been involved in some way all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    I'd really like Meeke is have a good result in Germany, to prove what we already know.
    Thank you for identifying your position so clearly.

    You do not wish for Citroen team to have a good result, you wish for Meeke to have a good result.

    So let's follow on with this. Say Meeke manages top 4 times consistently and finishes 3rd while the other two are 7-10.
    That would prove that Meeke can be fast while sometimes finishing a rally, yes we know that.

    Does that say very much about how good the car is on tarmac? Not really. The main issue as also voiced by Loeb now seems to be narrow "working window" of the car. So sometimes it works for one driver (Meeke in Mexico, Lefevbre in Poland, Breen in Finland) but it doesn't work well for more drivers consistently.

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    Are you forgetting Corsica?
    We know Meeke is quick on all surfaces.
    Tarmac is not the problem for Citroen DS3 but still Loeb finds it difficult.
    Why do you now believe Loeb about car issues, but not Meeke earlier in year?
    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Thank you for identifying your position so clearly.

    You do not wish for Citroen team to have a good result, you wish for Meeke to have a good result.

    So let's follow on with this. Say Meeke manages top 4 times consistently and finishes 3rd while the other two are 7-10.
    That would prove that Meeke can be fast while sometimes finishing a rally, yes we know that.

    Does that say very much about how good the car is on tarmac? Not really. The main issue as also voiced by Loeb now seems to be narrow "working window" of the car. So sometimes it works for one driver (Meeke in Mexico, Lefevbre in Poland, Breen in Finland) but it doesn't work well for more drivers consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    something we don't know from French speaking mates?
    Strange title, because in the first answer he gives he's just talking about how much more nervous and twitchy "the modern cars" (read: the C3) are, and how they are brutal and hard to understand their behavior, especially in the wet. The most important thing was to not crash. The conditions got better throughout the day and that improved the behavior a lot. In dry tarmac the car is very fast.

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    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/augus...6--12-12-.html

    Matton would like Loeb to do gravel test as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/augus...6--12-12-.html

    Matton would like Loeb to do gravel test as well
    i think that would provide invaluable insight to the team as well. And i'd suggest allowing him to test on various gravel surfaces when the team does PETs/testing to maximise the input from all the drivers and Loeb

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    “The first feeling was that it was a bit of a racing car on a rally stage. When it’s full dry, it’s fast and efficient, but in tricky conditions it would be nice to improve a bit the driveability and make it easier to drive,”
    So now they have feedback from Breen, Meeke, Mikkelsen, Lefebvre and Loeb, and they all sound very similar. On dry tarmac it's a WTCC car, outside of that window it's a tricky sod. It's a shame it took this long to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    something we don't know from French speaking mates?



    Great piece, thanks for sharing it dimvii. The L’Equipe journo does a fantastic job describing the atmosphere around this very special day for Loeb and Citroen, as this wasn’t just a ordinary test session; it was the return of the 9 times champ to a WRC car and to his long time team. Besides Loeb’s comments on the C3 (like sonnybobiche already mentioned), we got to know that Loeb, his entourage and the whole Citroen team were delighted and there was a tangible feeling that this could be the start of something big. For now, both Matton and Loeb just talked about a possible gravel test coming next.

    Some quotes:
    Loeb “My first motivation was to discover the potential of these new cars. The engine goes strong, it takes more revs than the old ones, there’s more aero force and I must admit I wasn’t expecting for such a corner speed difference, on the dry, from the previous generation cars, like the DS3”; “I’ve the feeling I’m still quick behind the well”. Elena “the pace notes come out as before, it’s like we had never stopped”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    Are you forgetting Corsica?
    We know Meeke is quick on all surfaces.
    Tarmac is not the problem for Citroen DS3 but still Loeb finds it difficult.
    Why do you now believe Loeb about car issues, but not Meeke earlier in year?
    In 2016 Corsica Meeke beat Ogier in Polo on one stage by 17 seconds saying he didn't feel they were going very fast... and then ripped a wheel off on the next. This year with C3 he got to drive 6 stages. Breen was about same speed on Corsica as all other rallies. Yes we know Meeke can be quick on all surfaces and sometimes can even finish, but Corsica this year didn't particularly stand out compared with results with DS3. Btw. Breen also had about same speed in Finland with C3 as he did with DS3. In the interview between Poland and Finland Lefevbre said that in Poland the car was perfect for him whole weekend and was doing exactly what he wanted.

    If a single driver (Meeke or anyone else) does well in C3 in a single rally while the rest of the team struggles, it does not show the car has changed in any way or that it's consistently good at that surface.

    Up until now nobody openly complained about C3 on tarmac, Loeb is the first one.

    To the last point: I do not believe any car issues "force" a driver to crash 4 times in 3 rallies from first place. Anyway there is an own thread for Meeke:
    http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...t-Performances

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