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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Like some of you already said, it’s not the decision but the timing of it that surprises. Obviously sorry for Meeke and Nagle, but mostly hoping this will not mean the end of Citroen WRC involvement after Rally Australia.

    The car has been fixed and if Breen manages to win a couple of events this season he can start ’19 as an underdog title contender. Getting a young and fast 2nd driver (Suninen or Tidemand) alongside a reliable experienced guy (Ostberg or Haninen) would be a fantastic full scale Citroen WRC effort next season. Time will tell if I’m just dreaming awake.

    Meanwhile, fingers crossed for the Citroen WRC team.

    PS: get ready; Brit rally journos crusade against the French manu will be resumed in a few hours…
    Yes, the journos are part of the problem here too. I hope Citroen stays in the WRC forever. Okay if the make a switch to Peugeot that would be fine too, but losing a manu never helps the sport. Subie and Mitsu leaving in the early days was no good and VW recent departure was crap also.

    Lets hope Meeke finds a ride and Citroen stays.

    The only other request I have is 4 cars for Toyota in Finland with Juho at the wheel.

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    did someone actually believed meeke would ever get reliable? he was already known for his crash or win approach when i first saw him in ypres 2009. although he won that rally, i remember him taking a wheel off on the shakedown already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Like some of you already said, it’s not the decision but the timing of it that surprises. Obviously sorry for Meeke and Nagle, but mostly hoping this will not mean the end of Citroen WRC involvement after Rally Australia.

    The car has been fixed and if Breen manages to win a couple of events this season he can start ’19 as an underdog title contender. Getting a young and fast 2nd driver (Suninen or Tidemand) alongside a reliable experienced guy (Ostberg or Haninen) would be a fantastic full scale Citroen WRC effort next season. Time will tell if I’m just dreaming awake.

    Meanwhile, fingers crossed for the Citroen WRC team.
    I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see Citroen being in WRC as works team in 2019... Just like I don't see Breen winning an event without a lucky combination of road position/weather/retirements. They'd really need a top driver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    PS: get ready; Brit rally journos crusade against the French manu will be resumed in a few hours…
    Good one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    ... PS: get ready; Brit rally journos crusade against the French manu will be resumed in a few hours…

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post

    Lets hope Meeke finds a ride and Citroen stays.
    Here are a couple of questions for you:

    1. Do you really want Meeke to stay at the expense of some other driver?
    Example Tidemand will not get a place in 2019 cause he stays. Suninen does not get to drive more than few rounds because of this.... or as we have seen this year Breen does not get all rounds?

    2. Did Meeke staying in Citroen during first half of 2018 directly contribute to them (possibly) leaving?

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    I would ring P Tidemand if I were Citroen boss. Potential in the man!

    Or maybe Lucky the Russian, he has top speed, and are starting to finish rallyes.
    Last edited by Gordini; 24th May 2018 at 22:47.

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    Lets hope no one else has a crash in a Citroen this year, better just drive round and keep it nice and tidy , we don't want anyone having a crash trying to get those vital few seconds that could lift you up the leaderboard.

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    I don't know..I read this:
    some of which were particularly heavy and could have had serious consequences with regard to the crew’s safety, and given that the risks involved were unjustified by the sporting stakes at play,

    And it seems pretty reasonable...

    And as much as deify his early mentor McRae as beyond any and all criticism one reason I had little respect for him was he also crashed many times when the risks involved were unjustified by the sporting stakes at play

    I have seen factory riders in my old sport leading home World Championship, a clear win in the bag, crash into the back of a guy he was lapping, crash into him when there was no other traffic, no pressure from the man in 2nd, sandy surface with at least 4 other clear lines..I was standing by the Team manager..You could hear his teeth crack.. That rider was dropped the following year.. I know the guy and he just kept swearing about the rider he rammed. Years later.

    I knew 2 importer supported "works" riders who were playing on little Honda mini-bikes who both crashed stupidly and one injured a knee he already had chronic problems..Both dropped.. "Their job is to win nationals, they can't do that with casts on their legs, they didn't do what they were paid to do"

    Another, Willi Bauer, factory rider in 250 World Championship..Hired to win and generate positive press.. He won the title but on points, and didn't win an individual Grand Prix the entire season...Dropped..(and tragically crashed and was paralyzed the following year.)

    These are just firings that I know and people I know...

    Who knows what has gone on behind the scenes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Though it was a very bad incident, there weren't any pictures. These days with social media its pictures that go around the world. Pictures like...



    The fact the driver was ok and saved by the car isnt seen, it just looks like 'Citroen's crash and then look like this ...'
    My comment was about "if any spectators was hurt - it was destroyed a brand". Spectator was dead after Huyndais out and they didn't have a destroyed brand after that.

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    Does this news give anyone else the impression that Citroen are actually staying in the WRC beyond 2018? To me, if they were finishing at the end of the season, they'd have just kept Meeke. Dropping him now could be with the intention that they use the rest of this season (a write off anyway Championship wise) to prepare for next year. Alternatively of course, they maybe just literally can't afford the amount of damage/write-offs Meeke could cause in the remaining seven rounds in his current form, with their budget situation.

    I don't buy into the theory that Meeke crashing was bad publicity for Citroen cars. Was McRae crashing in the 90s considered bad publicity for Subaru/Ford/Martini? He created some of the most iconic imagery and biggest publicity in rallying, or even motorsport history! Though obviously not to the same extent, Meeke's antics, his 'win or bust' style have brought in plenty of publicity. Look at Mexico 2017. Can anyone honestly envisage Mads putting in any kind of performance, good or bad, this year that'll be overly noticeable? What would be better publicity wise, Meeke possibly winning one or two of the remaining rounds, while crashing out of the rest, or Mads finishing 5th in every rally...?

    The safety argument seems like a hollow one to me, an excuse to make it look like the team are saving him rather than shafting him... You can't vaunt how safe the car is and then drop him because it's not safe for him to continue in it.

    Going forward, it's hard to see where they go from here, with Loeb still insisting that he won't come back full time. There are few overly attractive alternative options at this time, which makes the untimely (though eventually inevitable) dropping of Meeke more surprising. I think if I were Budar, I'd be looking to sign up Suninen for next year, as he at least has bit of a mix of some WRC experience and future potential. If Lefebvre ends up back in the car we've got to assume that they're not taking the WRC seriously anymore...

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