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    i would really love to see Kris in another car, in m-sport for example, how would he do there?...if he still would crash, well then....


    Mads sayin in norwgian media that the team has contacted him and they are talking things through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Though it was a very bad incident, there weren't any pictures. These days with social media its pictures that go around the world. Pictures like...



    The fact the driver was ok and saved by the car isnt seen, it just looks like 'Citroen's crash and then look like this ...'
    What are you on about, the Paddon Monte 17 crash was everywhere in social media, with plenty of pictures and video (unfortunately), and "these days" - it was 1.5 years ago not in the 90's!

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    PR fuckup for Citroen.
    For Meeke, he couldn't pick where he went off. He did nothing worse than Paddon, Ogier, Latvala etc,, on that rally. It just so happened a tree was there.
    If you really analysis Meeke performances.. he has had a combination of bad luck, undriveable car, which caused accidents, and some badly timed mistakes of his own. He was trying to tell the engineers that was something fundamental wrong with the car, but it wasnt his job to find out what it was. It took Mikkelson saga, and Loeb test to validate Meeke.
    The management are still stuck in the Loeb era, but not with the budget, its a fraction of what they were spending during that era.
    Loeb came in with nothing to loose, and was thowing the kitchen table at it, went off trying, and was getting trounced by a novice Fin driving a Toyota, in Corsica.
    That tells your where they are with the C3
    The only thing they had up their sleeve, was odd win of tarmac, now even that chance has gone.
    The car was a still away behind in development, and this latest geometry upgrade, only has given them a base to work from, where they should have been 18 months ago .
    The suspension, or lack thereof, make the car susceptible to punctures... count the number of punctures Citroen Racing drivers have had this year, vs other team
    Citroen will only be a privateer team next year, i'll 99% guarantee it, with Juoki drivers or rich kids.
    to be honest, I think Meeke comes out of this in a better light that Citroen
    I'd love to see Meeke in GB or Finland in a Toyota........
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    PR fuckup for Citroen.
    For Meeke, he couldn't pick where he went off. He did nothing worse than Paddon, Ogier, Latvala etc,, on that rally. It just so happened a tree was there.
    If you really analysis Meeke performances.. he has had a combination of bad luck, undriveable car, which caused accidents, and some badly timed mistakes of his own. He was trying to tell the engineers that was something fundamental wrong with the car, but it wasnt his job to find out what it was. It took Mikkelson saga, and Loeb test to validate Meeke.
    The management are still stuck in the Loeb era, but not with the budget, its a fraction of what they were spending during that era.
    Or to put it in other words: Meeke had a chance of a lifetime with the C3 and he blew it. Getting sacked doesn't mean you're bad at your job, but that you have failed to match the expectations. And that's exactly what Meeke did. I don't think there's denying that. And ofcourse there's always more to the story, I hope everyone understands it's not only about Meeke. Sure Citroen WRT and its management has made poor decisions as well, but as has been said before, something obviously had to be done and Meeke, with his performances, basically offered himself to be sacrificed. And for that there's only Kris himself to blame.
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    Even with the greatest possible empathy and respect for Chris Meeke, a decision became imperative. What would be the reactions if a fatal outcome had occurred? It's sad, but the last images of Portugal were scary. Best for Chris and Paul, especially alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    Or to put it in other words: Meeke had a chance of a lifetime with the C3 and he blew it. Getting sacked doesn't mean you're bad at your job, but that you have failed to match the expectations. And that's exactly what Meeke did. I don't think there's denying that. And ofcourse there's always more to the story, I hope everyone understands it's not only about Meeke. Sure Citroen WRT and its management has made poor decisions as well, but as has been said before, something obviously had to be done and Meeke, with his performances, basically offered himself to be sacrificed. And for that there's only Kris himself to blame.
    maybe.. but i failed to see anyone else doing any better.

    Mikkelson, Otsberg, Breen.. or even Loeb... failed (hard facts it Meeke outscored Loeb over his tow outings, while trying to keep in championship contention)
    No other top level driver in the their right mind, would now want to drive a Citroen....
    #1 because the car is below par
    #2 the management

    What will probably go down in WRC history, its that Meeke was the only one to win in a C3 WRC.

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    I think everyone agrees that:
    a) Meeke had it coming
    b) Citroen is in a bit of a PR nightmare with their timing

    Also that no one expected Meeke to be sacked now. Maybe during the mid-summer break would had been better for the team.
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    I'm very sad for Kris. He is a great driver but with a lot of crashes. Pure McRae spirit. Too 90's for Citroën and Pierre Budar. Now, we will not hear something about Citroën in WRC with their "awesome" line-up.
    And also, Loeb will not return for a full champ: https://www.lemagsportauto.com/entre...en-loeb/32201/

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    maybe.. but i failed to see anyone else doing any better.

    Mikkelson, Otsberg, Breen.. or even Loeb... failed
    That's true, statistically, but none of the mentioned drivers were expected to deliver what Meeke was. That's the difference here.
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    TBH although disappointing it’s not surprising.

    At some point it’s not just bad luck & you have to review where & why things keep going wrong and learn a lesson.

    Given Meeke's response post-event I’m not convinced this was happening.

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