WRC-2 season 2013

[Jarek Z]

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable?

The point was to see how much slower than a top European driver Kubica is. Comparing him to "any of non Italian driver" makes no sense. It's hard to say that "any of non Italian driver" is a reference point in this sport.

[rallyfun]

The point was to see how much slower than a top European driver Kubica is. Comparing him to "any of non Italian driver" makes no sense. It's hard to say that "any of non Italian driver" is a reference point in this sport.

It is in this event.

[Jarek Z]

I have no idea what you mean. Didn't the organizers of Rally Sardegna make a comparison between Kubica and "any non Italian driver" by measuring stage times?
Rally Italia Sardegna 2013 - Results - Rally-Base
Why would I do the same?

[tommeke_B]

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable? I guess it's the same as comparing Loeb and Kosciuszko in Rally France,to see where is he with speed.

Actually, about Loeb - Kosciuszko in France, I don't think the difference would be bigger than anywhere else. I think you are overestimating what you can call "local knowledge", it gives you some advantage, but no 1s/km...

[cali]

Did both drovers used same tyres? As far as I know WRC use different tyres. Also last couple of years some rallies local guys were massively faster than S2000 guys, but were using non-control tyres.

[Lord_Shaitan]

Some time ago I did a comparison of Kubica's times with best times from CIR too. As for Kubica I took his times from second leg as far more representative.

SS 1 MONTE LERNO 1
Andreucci - 19'55.4
Kubica - 20:26.8 (driving behind Wiegand in dust)

SS 2 MONTE OLIA 1
Andreucci - 14'11.3
Kubica - 14:15.5

SS 3 TERRANOVA 1
Andreucci - 10'58.9
Kubica - 10:58.9

SS 4 MONTI DI ALA' 1
Scandola - 14'14.2
Kubica - 14:11.8

SS 5 COILUNA - LOELLE 1
Andreucci - 14'24.9
Kubica - 14:23.9

SS 6 MONTE OLIA 2
Andreucci - 14'06.0
Kubica - 14:15.5

Taking into consideration that he was driving safer and was still far behind italian drivers with stages knowledge, he isn't any slower than best drivers from CIR.

[Jarek Z]

Thanks for your results Lord_Sheitan, but I'm not sure if you can do it this way. You compare Andreucci's first loop results with Kubica's second loop times. But you forgot to mention that there was a time difference of 5 hours between both loops. The weather as well as the road conditions could have changed. Therefore I still think that my results are more fair. But thanks for sharing your analysis

[cali]

And still no answer about tyres?
You compare times not knowing about details and it gives false impression.

[pucky54]

And still no answer about tyres?
You compare times not knowing about details and it gives false impression.

Of course they were not on the same tires, Andreucci is Pirelli driver

[havk]

Several times of Sebastain Ogier:
Monte Olia 1 13:49,1
Monte Olia 2 13:22,2
Terranova 1 10:36,9
Terranova 2 10:18,3
Better times on 2nd loop. Probably it is because he knows better stage and due to cleaned loose gravel, the difference is quite big. As far as i know CIR competitors drive after WRC, so it could give them some advantage.