Massage to Indy brass...

[Chris R]

Formula 1 also has a national competition element that a US series cannot have - England vs. Italy is a big deal over there - New Jersey vs. Kansas - not so much.....

I agree the two car teams with identical liveries have always been an integral part of F1 (at least in modern times) and it really helps create identities for teams, sponsors and drivers..... I think this is a place where NASCAR is starting to lose it - the different color schemes used for different sponsors on the same car throughout the year seem to fuel die cast sales to hard core fans - but I don't watch Cup racing that much and I just find it confusing and it does not really help me to decide to patronize a sponsor....

[FIAT1]

The casual fan doesn't give a rats ass about the cars. They care about what's trending, shove it there face and they will watch.

Interesting you said that. Roger Penske said a same thing when he switched to irl. Well ,what happened from that point on. I guess there is more casual fans than you think.

[FIAT1]

[quote="Chris R"]Formula 1 also has a national competition element that a US series cannot have - England vs. Italy is a big deal over there - New Jersey vs. Kansas - not so much.....QUOTE]

There is little of that ,but if you make F1 spec it would be done also.

[zako85]

Well, I know IndyCar can not be made into some kind of a national Formula 1 copy. How about CART? What can IndyCar can learn for 1980s CART which I hear was very successful?

[FIAT1]

Well, I know IndyCar can not be made into some kind of a national Formula 1 copy. How about CART? What can IndyCar can learn for 1980s CART which I hear was very successful?

Self serving Championship Auto Racing Teams are live and well in today Indycar. What today IndyCar can learn from 80s and 90s? THE CARS AND SPEED MATTERS!!!

[garyshell]

Self serving Championship Auto Racing Teams are live and well in today Indycar. What today IndyCar can learn from 80s and 90s? THE CARS AND SPEED MATTERS!!!

And that budgets have shrunk precipitously since tobacco money is no longer an option. Cars and speed cost $$$. Where do you propose the funds for "CARS AND SPEED MATTERS" would come from?

Gary

[FIAT1]

And that budgets have shrunk precipitously since tobacco money is no longer an option. Cars and speed cost $$$. Where do you propose the funds for "CARS AND SPEED MATTERS" would come from?

Gary

Ok then, what you saying it's cheaper to run slow crappy looking cars that only 0.2 watches and for how long.

[F1boat]

I think that the new Indycars are pretty and cool, but the championship has lost so much momentum, that recovery will be very tough and I am not sure that it is possible

[Starter]

Ok then, what you saying it's cheaper to run slow crappy looking cars that only 0.2 watches and for how long.

Yes, that's correct. It's easy to spend other people's money.

There is not enough commercial support now for the teams to replace their equipment yet again. They just spent a bundle on the new car and spares. That investment needs to be amortized over several years. Until you can come up with a viable source for all the teams to get the capital to replace all of that equipment, again, you are wasting everyone's time with that sort of post. It's the real world and, like it or not, we live in it.

[Rex Monaco]

It is about the cars. But more specifically, it is about the cars that race at Indy. You can't fix the Indycar series, until you fix Indy itself. Indy should once again be like Le Mans, and stop trying to be like Daytona. It should be the place where the worlds greatest auto makers come to race against each other putting to the test, and proving to the world, the merits of their latest 'green' technologies. Unless the track is sold to someone who understands what made Indy great in the first place and why they were called Indycars, there will be no way to rebuild what should never have been destroyed in the first place.

I know the IRLista arguments for staying the course on this failed experiment. The economy sucks, there is no money anymore, nobody would build a car, blah, blah, blah... And yet Le Mans has no problem attracting top automakers developing expensive technology for a single race. Maybe an easy solution would be to adopt their engine formula so last years Le Mans engine can end up in an Indycar in front of American audiences the following year.

But that's all wishful thinking on my part. So is my hope that when Indycar dies, F1 takes to the track again in Long Beach. Although that scenario is more likely to happen.