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    Quote Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
    I was going to say sour grapes, but that is one hell of a valid argument. I still think Vettel made the pass just as he hit that green flashing light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donKey jote
    That one was orange (Red/Yellow)... even Marca said so

    However, today Marca also say he took Vergne under (blinking) yellows
    Vettel, por fuera del reglamento - MARCA.com
    It cant be orange, as its be shown in the other thread that the lights dont flash red and yellow.
    Yellow flashing = Yellow flag.
    Yellow solid = Slippery surface

    And as in the picture, and the videos. This was a solid yellow. Which had been agreed with the drivers before the start of each race, stands for slippery surrface. IE the red yellow stiped flag. The drivers deemed that a red yellow flashing light, at high speed was to difficult to distinguish from a flashing yellow light.

    So as far as im now concernd, a legal move.

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    Just to stir things up some more. Maybe a look at this overtake under flashing yellows. And yellow light in cockpit.

    Video shows Vettel made illegal pass under yellows in Brazil

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    As far as your first post is concerned... I agree, of course it was slippery red/yellow orange solid whatever.

    As far as your second post is concerned... that was what the second Marca link in my post was about

    by the way, it's also a non-issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
    I was going to say sour grapes, but that is one hell of a valid argument. I still think Vettel made the pass just as he hit that green flashing light.
    no sour grapes here

    he made it before the light but after the flag
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    another cheating German zzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by bontebempo
    another cheating German zzzzz
    Damn, someone is mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bontebempo
    another cheating German zzzzz
    Deal with it Einstein. Maybe we Germans should stop paying off Spain's debts. Let's see how you numbnuts deal with being friggin' bankrupt. Before you flash the nationalist card in someone's face at least have a look who's face it is...
    как могу я знать что я думаю, пока не слушал что я говорю

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    Quote Originally Posted by donKey jote
    no sour grapes here

    he made it before the light but after the flag
    http://www.motorsportforums.com/f1/1...ml#post1086439
    But the picture of the green flag is lap 3. The pass under yellow that is being investigated was on lap 4. Was the green still out.
    Got to be honest, i like a good argument on a forum, but its to late to take the championship away from Vettel now. Yes investigate, and maybe admit mistakes have happend. Find ways to stop it happing again, but leave the results as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_sw2000
    But the picture of the green flag is lap 3. The pass under yellow that is being investigated was on lap 4. Was the green still out.
    It was out in lap three and the photo shows there are neither cars nor visible pieces of debris in that sector. So for the green being exchanged for yellow in the next lap something would have had to happen in that sector during lap 3 or between the leading cars in lap 4. No incident was reported as far as I can remember and in the video of the pass there is no stranded car, debris or nutter on the track. So, having established that the sector was green-flagged in lap 3, there is no logical reason why it should have been yellow flagged in lap 4.
    Further, the official track diagram on fia.com shows that there are two marshal booths on that section - one on the left side after the exit of T3 (the one visible in the photo of lap3) and one on the right hand side at the entry of T4, directly opposite of the flashing green light we see after the pass was completed. Frame-by-frame analysis of the video shows that the marshal in the booth at T3 waves a flag. Due to the lightning conditions its colour is indiscernable, but

    a) its colour appears rather dark, so more likely green than yellow and
    b) Vettel starts his move immediately after passing that booth, so chances are high that he saw it and it was in fact green, as it was in lap 3.

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    Got to be honest, i like a good argument on a forum,
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