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10th October 2012, 15:27 #41
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10th October 2012, 20:26 #42
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Originally Posted by Coulthard FanI still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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10th October 2012, 22:28 #43
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10th October 2012, 22:42 #44
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Originally Posted by Coulthard Fan
It's embarrassing actually to see the gulf between him and Jenson in 2012. To think that Jenson is a WDC as well. Qualifying ratio of 12-3 in favor of Hamilton and the thing is even though he has had 4 DNF's which were not of his own doing and Jenson has only had one, as far as I remember, he is still 21 points ahead of Jenson in the table. It just shows that the table doesn't always show a true reflection of what is going on as based on performance this year he should be at least another 60-70 points clear. Even worst is that with the car Jenson has had over the last 3 years he has only managed one pole position. That's even more embarrassing from a WDC. He is nowhere near the class of Lewis. Not alone that but I firmly believe these Pirelli tires are flattering Jenson especially the ones last year. Lewis has found a way to drive around them pretty quickly at the start of this year whereas it took Jenson until Germany to finally modify his driving style to suit them better. Anyway, enough said, he is better than Jenson any day of the week and I think few can deny that.
I also feel that with Jenson and Perez on board next year that McLaren are going to suffer. Jenson probably won't win you a WDC without a car advantage such as he had at Brawn because it's simply not possible to have a perfect set up every weekend where you don't have to drive around an issue. Perez is too error prone so far though I'm hoping that will improve. Next year is going to be a tough one for the Mac's me thinks.
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11th October 2012, 05:38 #45
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Originally Posted by Knock-on"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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11th October 2012, 05:45 #46
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
The jury is definatley out on Perez, he has had some good results and he definatley has some speed, but if he can translate that into results in a top car we will have to wait and see, in the emantime Jenson will provide a more than decent team leader, and whislt the line up may not be as strong as it has been for the last 3 years I don't think they will suffer hugely. Not as much as Lewis may do if Merc are concentrating on 2014 rather than 2013"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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11th October 2012, 09:00 #47
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Originally Posted by Robinho
Any way, we probably won't agree, but I still regard Jenson as an excellent driver but I would never view him as being cream of the crop like Lewis, Alonso or Vettel and I definitely regard him as the weakest World Champion of all those on the grid.
I don't think Lewis went to Merc with the intention of winning the title next year. He knows next year will be a tough one and I think everyone does but I do think he is playing the long game and that he is doing the right thing by making this move.
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11th October 2012, 09:54 #48
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I'm happy to agree that Lewis is the faster over one lap, and often quicker when the car is not so good, but I think Jenson's race pace is very close the Hamilton's in a high percentage of races. I'd fancy Lewis to win me a championship, but I think Button makes a damn good backup plan, and I'm happy to admit I prefer to support him over Hamilton
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11th October 2012, 11:06 #49
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I agree with Rob on this one. Jenson has not benefitted from the tyres this year; quite the opposite in fact. He has struggled getting the fronts and rears matched and McLaren admitted that the setup changes they put in place to fix this was making the problem worse.
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11th October 2012, 11:30 #50
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
If you're referring only to qualifying pace, which is where the difference between the two drivers appears to be greatest, it's not true there either. Could your memory be a little selective perhaps? You seem to be recalling only the 5 Saturdays where Hamilton was 0.4 or more faster than Button, and forgetting the 3 where Button was 0.4 or more faster than Hamilton (and the 11 where they were more closely matched). In fact the average advantage was 0.16 in Hamilton's favour. If you disregard the chaotic wet qualifying at Sepang (which I would not - it did happen, and as soon as you start trying to strike out "special cases" you're bringing pre-coloured subjective judgment into it again), Hamilton's advantage rises to 0.21.
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