Green / White / Checkers

[Lousada]

Lots of doublespeak going on here.
GWC is somehow bad, but randomly throwing a red flag because you don't like the outcome of the race is good?
Finishing under yellow is bad but then at the same time GWC is a gimmick, but a random redflag is not??
A yellow/chequered finish is now "robbery" yet nobody complained about it the last 40 years (including the last 3 Indy 500s).
Apart from ChrisR nobody is advocating for the abolition of yellow flag periods, how does that follow? Yellow flags are only bad in the last couple of laps?? Or are yellow flags only allowed if you don't like the outcome of the race??
Nascar manipulates races, even though they act the same at every race, yet Indycar is fair and balanced even though the racedirector makes every controversial decision at his own discretion???

[Lousada]

Green white checkers changes the whole race strategy after the race has been nearly completed - red flag less so.

That doesn't make any sense. If you know there might be some "overtime" with a g/w/c you take account for that in your strategy beforehand.

[anthonyvop]

No, they shouldn't. A super speedway should be completely clean when it comes to debris, not red flagging the race would have been asking for more trouble. I agree about the GWC thing; NO WAY!

So yellow flags are good when it comes to debris on a super speedway except when the laws of physics change when only 20 laps or less are left?

[call_me_andrew]

GWC is terrible because it changes the length of a race in progress.

I fail to see why a red flag thrown after a late race crash is any worse than throwing a red flag after an early or mid race crash.

[heliocastroneves#3]

So yellow flags are good when it comes to debris on a super speedway except when the laws of physics change when only 20 laps or less are left?

Yes, to avoid a finish under yellow..

[wedge]

Red flag is the lesser evil.

If Beaux Barfield called for a GWC on the spur of the moment people would be calling for his head.

[Lousada]

I fail to see why a red flag thrown after a late race crash is any worse than throwing a red flag after an early or mid race crash.

We are not talking about the concept of red flags, we are talking about artificial ways to end the race under green.

[Lousada]

Yes, to avoid a finish under yellow..

Nowhere in the Indycar rulebook does it say the race has to finish under green. The distance = the distance. With Nascar it does say it, that's why they keep going with g/w/c until it actually finishes under green.

[Lousada]

Red flag is the lesser evil.

If Beaux Barfield called for a GWC on the spur of the moment people would be calling for his head.

"spur of the moment" is the key phrase here. This was the first time this season that BB threw a red flag in order to keep the laps. That seems like a spur of the moment to me...

Again my point for those who do not understand it:
Either throw a red flag for every caution period in every race (that means, only count green flag laps), or never*.

* blabla... apart when necesarry in a big accident... blabla.

[heliocastroneves#3]

Nowhere in the Indycar rulebook does it say the race has to finish under green. The distance = the distance. With Nascar it does say it, that's why they keep going with g/w/c until it actually finishes under green.

The rules don't say that but it's better for the race it self though.