Red Bull - Biggest cheats in F1

[odykas]

They will keep on cheating as long they enjoy tolerance from FIA.

I disagree on the term "biggest" as this goes to another team / driver / era that we all know

[Tazio]

Unless you are practiced at teleportation that belongs in F1 History

[Knock-on]

Innovation is good but the rules on Parc Ferme are quite clear and however it's dressed up, changing the ride height after qualification without tools is not allowed. Similarly, blown engine mapping has been banned.

The FIA favour Red Bull because of the huge amount of revenue they pump into all forms of Motorsport and I think Vettel is a very acceptable face for them. However, we need to see if the new, Post Mad Max era has more integrity than the bad old days. At the moment, the similarity between the FIA / Vettel / Red Bull situation and the Schumy / Bennetton / Ferrari debarcle with the FIA is strinkingly similar.

As for the rrogance of Horner, Marco, Vettel, well, that's not cheating; merely classless.

[F1boat]

Red Bull are brilliant. Always pushing the boundaries, totally understanding the rules and seeing ways to find performance within them by finding the legal loophole. This is what F1 is all about. Pushing and seeking a different way that improves performance. Long should it last.

I agree with what you said completely

[donKey jote]

FIA officials taping up all suspicious holes on the Red Bulls

[Hawkmoon]

Horner is a ****er. When asked why, if the suspension can only be changed with tools, the Red Bull even had the option to do otherwise he tries to make out that it's no big deal, the FIA just "prefer" that tools be used. Article 34.5 of the Sporting Regulations: "In order that the scrutineers may be completely satisfied that no alterations have been made to the suspension systems or aerodynamic configuration of the car (with the exception of the front wing) whilst in post qualifying parc ferme, it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools." That's not "prefer the use of tools" Horner, that's only the use of tools. This guy seems to think everybody is an idiot.

Red Bull build functionality into their car that allows them to break the rules and we're supposed to just trust them that they didn't use it.

[wedge]

There's a fine line between exploiting loopholes/pushing the envelope/against the spirit of the rules and cheating and blatantly transgressing the rules.

Apparently its a switch which alters the suspension. If true and more details emerge then RBR clearly are cheating. Unless RBR can prove that the tool happens to be Helmut Marko operating the switch.

[jens]

Innovation is good but the rules on Parc Ferme are quite clear and however it's dressed up, changing the ride height after qualification without tools is not allowed. Similarly, blown engine mapping has been banned.

Well, looks like the rules actually were not completely clear, because FIA had to clarify them after the issues. If rules are clear, there is nothing to clarify, right?

Who knows, maybe there is still something vague and RBR soon finds another way...

It is easy to say "rule is easy - blown diffuser is banned", but in the technical and practical world of details it is very different. This is where engineering prowess comes to the fore and you can't ban something that hasn't been invented yet. You reach a new innovation and can effectively get around a ban.

This is also, where it can be said that engineers are smarter than the working group of technical regulations. Because you can't ban something you don't understand/know, while the engineer in the team might have an idea...

[Bagwan]

And , then there is the wording .
"Changes cannot be made without the use of tools" does not technically state the real intention of the statement .
In fact , one can interpret it as saying that you must use tools to make changes , thereby implying that changes , themselves , are permitted .
In this interpretation , it implies that having a device with , say , a handle for adjusting ride height would be prohibitted .

It , for sure , is a bit of a stretch , but it , too , is a logical interpretation of the wording .

[N4D13]

I heard today that there is a rumour on the paddock, according to which, a Red Bull mechanic was found with a monkey wrench during a FIA inspection when he was supposed to be cleaning the car. However, no action was taken as he wasn't caught doing anything special to the car - he just happened to have a monkey wrench. Now, whether this is true or just a badly intentioned rumour, I don't know.