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    Quote Originally Posted by OldF
    A RRC car (as M-Sport calls it, which is imo a good name for it to compare it with a WRC car, or SPR, super production car as Prodrive calls it) it’s official called “S2000-Rally: 1.6T engine with a 30mm restrictor”.
    Ok, have not seen that, do you have a link?

    What do FIA call a S2000-Rally car running in a WRC rally with a 33mm in class 1 ?


    I for one will continue to call the 30mm car for a RRC!

    Looking at the BRC Sunseeker coverage I will miss the high reving NA sound when turbo engines takes over more and more. I prefer the sound picture of the R3 Clio compared with the DS3 R3T.

    Will the R2 class also get a turbo engine in the future, A 1,2 or 1,3 maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland
    Will the R2 class also get a turbo engine in the future, A 1,2 or 1,3 maybe?
    In my opinion that will sure happen. I guess 1.2T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    In my opinion that will sure happen. I guess 1.2T.
    Then the circle is almost closed for me. My facination for rally started with John Haugland in the Skoda 130 RS, and I build a 110 LS into an amateur rally car. These had 1300 and 1150 ccm engines. Now we are back to small engines again.

    Phuu I am getting old !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland
    Looking at the BRC Sunseeker coverage I will miss the high reving NA sound when turbo engines takes over more and more. I prefer the sound picture of the R3 Clio compared with the DS3 R3T.
    I agree. I find watching old videos of an N1 Favorit Skoda Trophy car more exciting than R3T. Not only the sound but because of the low down torque they don't seem to require an agressive driving style either. Petrol turbos are definitely the current trend for road cars but boring for rally cars IMO, at least in the "low" classes. Really hope R4T is a lot better than R3T!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    It's not an issue of gearbox. What we spoke about is caused by the nature of restricted turbo engine. The rules say that the rpm limit is 8500. But that is useful only for variant with 33 mm restrictor. With 30 mm restrictor and same engine and turbo such high rpm are rather useless. With 30 mm restrictor the power peak is around 6000-6500 rpm and than the power start do decrease. If dimviii said the theoretical top speed 202 km/h at 8500 rpm it means 166 km/h at 7000 rpm and that sure isn't too long gearbox
    Sorry young one here trying to learn, when running on 30mm can they not drop the revs? Is it exactly the same engine bar the larger 33mm restrictor
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    Yes, the engine is same but with small restrictor it has not enough air to be effective in high rpm.

    In WRC I believe they shift around 8000-8500 rpm. In 1.6T S2000 30mm restrictor they shift around 6500 rpm. In DS3 R3T with 29mm restrictor they shift even only around 5000 rpm.
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    Don't forget this coming week-end Rally Mille Miglia with Basso in Fiesta RRC vs all the other S2000s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
    Don't forget this coming week-end Rally Mille Miglia with Basso in Fiesta RRC vs all the other S2000s
    Will be interesting. If he can't match Andreucci and Hanninen then I guess he will take the S2000 to Corsica.

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    Times from Mille Miglia here, Basso won SS2: Rally FICr

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    He's going very well at the moment!

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