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    RRC vs S2000 NA

    Ye ye, naming convention on the 1,6T 30mm we have been thru this before, and my opinion is clear, call that type RRC, that up till now is the best name

    Anyway, Corsica will be the first real test btw S2000 and RRCars with top drivers handeling them in a top series I think. Will be very interesting to see the result. If the RRC shows that it is way faster, more of them will maybe come. And since the S2000 is a beast easier to mess up in, due to the NA and narrow powerband, the RRC might be easier for the 2nd tier drivers to do a good result in.

    Lets see !!

    What are your predictions: what is the faster car?
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    Last year, with top driver (on comparation test) atmospheric S2000 was in average 0,4 sec faster than S2000 1,6T (on tarmac).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland
    Ye ye, naming convention on the 1,6T 30mm we have been thru this before, and my opinion is clear, call that type RRC, that up till now is the best name

    Anyway, Corsica will be the first real test btw S2000 and RRCars with top drivers handeling them in a top series I think. Will be very interesting to see the result. If the RRC shows that it is way faster, more of them will maybe come. And since the S2000 is a beast easier to mess up in, due to the NA and narrow powerband, the RRC might be easier for the 2nd tier drivers to do a good result in.

    Lets see !!

    What are your predictions: what is the faster car?
    No doubts about that. S2000 2.0NA are faster cars. S2000 1.6T lacks average 20-40 Hp and better torque chart can't change that handicap into benefit. Suspension is basically same. Difference on gravel or snow is smaller than on asphalt because the 2.0NA engine characteristics are worse in terms of traction. Top speed of 1.6T S2000 is a bit higher but due to worse acceleration they need a lot of time to reach it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    No doubts about that. S2000 2.0NA are faster cars. S2000 1.6T lacks average 20-40 Hp and better torque chart can't change that handicap into benefit. Suspension is basically same. Difference on gravel or snow is smaller than on asphalt because the 2.0NA engine characteristics are worse in terms of traction. Top speed of 1.6T S2000 is a bit higher but due to worse acceleration they need a lot of time to reach it
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    top speed for Mini 1,6t s2000 is 206km/h.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii
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    top speed for Mini 1,6t s2000 is 206km/h.
    That must take ages to reach 200+ km/h. I watched onboard of Pech from one superfast stage of Valašská rally. On a place where Kopecký was for a long time in rpm limiter with Fabia (181 km/h) Pech with mini reached maximum 184 km/h according to tripmaster.
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    I find it a bit strange that a car with twice the torque and the same chassis rules can't at least be on the same speed, even with 30bhp less? On a race circuit ok, but in rally I thought torque was king? Especially as the Mini's torque should be available across the whole rev range compared to a peaky S2000. Explain more Mirek!

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    Your milestone for the car's performance is Pech????????????



    Go find another sport kiddo!

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    Basically You don't need to know torque chart if You know power chart. It's all in with the benefit that power unlike torque doesn't change through gear ratios (not counting mechanical looses for simplification). What You need is that the area below power curve is as large as possible in rpm range You use. Than You don't need to think about torque chart.

    I made a very quick estimation how the situation could look here. Blue area is power available in S2000 2.0NA in usually used rpm range. Orange area is power available in S2000 1.6T in usually used rpm range. You can see that the higher torque of 1.6T virtually brings You benefit over the high-rewing 2.0NA only in so low rpm which are used in the 2.0NA S2000 for only a fraction of time. Mostly in first gear corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    That must take ages to reach 200+ km/h. I watched onboard of Pech from one superfast stage of Valašská rally. On a place where Kopecký was for a long time in rpm limiter with Fabia (181 km/h) Pech with mini reached maximum 184 km/h according to tripmaster.
    Sorry Mirek the right is 202km/h at limiter 8500rpm.This is claimed about Roches Mini.

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    Thanks Mirek, I understand better now

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