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9th April 2012, 05:01 #21
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
then you follow up with a quote from the treasonous John Murtha?
Seriously?
Is that all?
No Criminal Conviction?
No Bi=Partisan finding?
Not even an admission of a possible clerical error?
Nothing?
And you did know that the report was about Halliburton not KBR right?
Still waiting for you to give us an example of a large corporation that doesn't get sued or accused of malfeasance. I would think up where you are from there are tons of Progressive Corporations that nobody sues.
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9th April 2012, 06:37 #22
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Sorry folk, can't waste endless amounts of time with people who lie and parse words and play the "no conviction" BS. I received yet another infraction from the so called "moderator" for daring to ask Vop simple questions---which we knows he knows about this, everybody was watching all this and it is nothing new.....
Military procurement is and has been legalized theft for decades.
Indeed American foreign policy and the quick resort to military solutions could not be a better designed plan for direct wealth transfer to a select group of interlocking companies/DoD/politicians...
800 million dollars for unserved meals.
It was bad in the 50s, seriously bad enough that a man far more astute than any of the notorious crowd of gung ho flag wavers here spoke as clear a a man can speak in his farewell address when leaving the White House.
The real insults are those thrown out insulting the intelligence of the other readers and the pretending innocence, and the transparently obvious attempts at distracting the readers "still waiting .."---that sort of crap deserves an infraction
Have fun.John Vanlandingham
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9th April 2012, 08:47 #23Originally Posted by janvanvurpaThe emergence of the new 'Rainmaster' - Mad Max at Interlagos 2016!
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9th April 2012, 11:45 #24
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Taken directly from your provided link:
"In April 2005, Defense Department officials dismissed auditor findings that
Halliburton had submitted $200 million in questioned charges for dining facility
services, deciding instead to retroactively change the formula for Halliburton’s
billing and increase the company’s profit margin.
On April 5, 2005, the U.S. Army Field Support Command announced that
Halliburton would receive $145 million out of $200 million (72.5%) of the costs
DCAA questioned for meal services in Iraq."
This is not the 800 million you claim was for meals never served. Once again those actually researching the issue would find that Haliburton stated that their obligation stated in the contract was to make dining facilities and meals available, and there was no clause of payment per meal served. Once again not a drive through down the road, but dining facilities often within high security areas and in some cases even in forward operating bases.
Having dealt directly with military procurement in the past I found that it was their procedures and insane clauses that create the majority of the fleecing they end up taking. I had things that we made that it took more time to read through and conform with the contract requirement red tape than it did to make and deliver the product. I had several local commands that in the long run saved a ton of money by changing their procedures.
These days I work on several bases on the non military side, and see the same thing. They are so tied up in red tape that they can barely function at times. Here is another example of government waste that could easily be stopped.... I work on 6 different locations and to do so submit to 4 different types of background check and passes. Though each base commander does have discretion as to civilian access they have procedures where one pass could handle the different requirements of each base. Out of the 4 background checks and passes, only one of them is paid for at my company expense. The other 3 are paid by tax money.
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9th April 2012, 20:13 #25
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
So ya got nothing???
Not even an attempt at an answer for my simple question? I know you can't be too busy
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9th April 2012, 20:38 #26
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Your pretense that you need citations is trolling in the classic sense.
YOU prove I am incorrect- You can waste your time REFUTING the FACTS if you want to prove you have something.
Rather than dismissing the facts with saying "that's a Democrat".
I said I will not engage in your time wasting since the out of control "moderator" Starter keeps sending me threats about "you'll be out of here" since he approves of your general type of insults insulting everybody, but disapproves of any answer back and has a burning need to control dialog.John Vanlandingham
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9th April 2012, 22:41 #27
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Originally Posted by Starter
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10th April 2012, 02:22 #28
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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10th April 2012, 05:17 #29
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Originally Posted by Starter
I say again your personal animus shows very clearly. It is fine line but asking some theoretical or real person "Are you so out of touch? Are you drunk? Are you an idiot?" IS NOT the same as calling them that. That is why we differentiate between declarative statements and questions and the smarter amongst us notice we use a little thingie to distinguish the 2---it's called a question mark and it looks like this: ?
perhaps you've seen one before?
You can call me a liar from the safety of your cherished anonymity and your undeserved status here since you are anything but moderate.
But it does not alter the fact that Vop knows full well what he is playing his "cite sources" game, pretend all you want but that is a lie, and the pretense he operates under is an insult to readers here.
It is unfortunate that you are mired in a level of reading that is entirely superficial, a trait shared by so many of our countrymen, and particularly here, that it is a worldwide cliche.
You are on a vendetta whatever your name is, that is obvious, and the repeated PMs from other forum members sick to death of your heavy handed mixing of opinion and moderator status belies that...
The moderating in general is simply bizarre.
In Feburary I received an 'infraction' for the crime of agreeing with a statement that BDunnel wrote. He had correctly said that something I wrote was absurd or nonsensical and I explained that I agreed and that it was because it is pointless to talk rationally with...let's see here it is:Quote Originally Posted by BDunnell View Post
That's a bit of a ridiculous statement to make, if I may say so.
Thank you.
My personally insulting response:
Let me explain something again.
When dealing with ridiculous people the only logical response is a ridiculous one. When dealing with those who spew hate and advocate violence, it is only logical to return them the favor so as to help them to understand their folly.
You just said something to the effect that he---whatever alias he hides behind---seems like a sociopath
I believe you said.. lemme run and check,
check clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp Hmmmmm lessee (rummage rustle)
Ah yes, it was a sociopath clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp clomp
OK I'm back, these clogs are noisy on wood, eh?
Yes you said "he seems like a sociopath" Now I'm in full agreement with you. Tell me, why should I attempt to speak rationally with a sociopath---and 'ow do you know e's NOT a paranoiac , eh?
I'm mainly curious where such a degree of hate and contempt for humanity was developed and so I can make sure I avoid it.
The moderating is definitely out of control when a moderator can make personal insults as whatever Starters name is just did without receiving an infraction.
The scene from Blazing Saddles where the new Sheriff pulls a gun and holds it to his own head springs to mind.
Whatever, Starter wants me out of Chit Chat and like the rest of his class of people the operative rule is do as I say, not as I do.
So I guess its alright for you to make personal insults, you're exempt from the rules you govern by, so call me a liar all you want.
It's your forum, and any disagreement with whatever you decide the meaning of anything is must by definition mean a person is a liar.
After all insults, like all offense, does depend on intent.John Vanlandingham
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10th April 2012, 12:23 #30
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Originally Posted by Starter
Yes I fear so too, you just need to look at the new cost for tourists to get into Venice and when everyone sees the amount of money being made others will soon follow, and prices will go up. As...
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