'Self steering' bullets being developed by Lockheed Martin.

[janneppi]

I watched a documentary following some RAF Apaches in the Southern Afghanistan, I remember one crew hovering a couple of miles out watching an insurgent bury a weapon in a field, after they had obtained permision to take him out they launched a £50k Hellfire just to take out one guy! I can see a self homing round or two like this being a tad more cost effective option in the right circumstances dont you think?

They already have a pretty cost effective weapon in those helicopters, hover a bit closer and fire of a few 30mm rounds of to kill the guy in the ground

[janvanvurpa]

Y they launched a £50k Hellfire just to take out one guy! I can see a self homing round or two like this being a tad more cost effective option in the right circumstances dont you think?

Cost is no object when Freedom™ is on the line. Freedom™ isn't Free.

The diesel fuel running every truck, tank, Humvee costs around USD340 per US gallon (3,78 liter)....but you don't see anybody there worrying what it costs, THEY don't pay for it.

Why worry?

agree

[Zico]

Why worry?

Yes John, sadly you are absolutely right and its probably more fun popping off a hellfire (the gunner actually called himself a "weapons whore" lol..) but individualy they should care.. aren't they also taxpayers?

Interesting fact re-the cost of the Diesel.. thats crazy!

[janvanvurpa]

Yes John, sadly you are absolutely right and its probably more fun popping off a hellfire (the gunner actually called himself a "weapons whore" lol..) but individualy they should care.. aren't they also taxpayers?

Interesting fact re-the cost of the Diesel.. thats crazy!

Follow the money........then you see who benefits from the madness.. I believe the initials are K and B and the ever ominous (R)
KBR (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[anthonyvop]

Follow the money........then you see who benefits from the madness.. I believe the initials are K and B and the ever ominous (R)
KBR (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So?

You gotta problem with somebody making money?

[janvanvurpa]

So?

You gotta problem with somebody making money?

You don't have a problem with contract let on no bid basis to 'buddies' who screw the taxpayers charging $340/gal for diesel?
You have no problem with a US Corporation setting up shell corporations in the Cayman islands expressly to avoid US Taxes?
No problem with paying KRB millions for meals not served?
No problem with a US Corporation trafficking in people?

[anthonyvop]

You don't have a problem with contract let on no bid basis to 'buddies' who screw the taxpayers charging $340/gal for diesel?

Citation?

You have no problem with a US Corporation setting up shell corporations in the Cayman islands expressly to avoid US Taxes?

One of the biggest myths spewed by the Left. The Cayman Islands is quite chummy with the IRS and gladly hands over Financial records of any company they ask for.
That being said many companies set up corporations in the Cayman Islands for the lower corporate taxes.
So?
More companies set up Corporations in Delaware because of their favorable taxes as well..Are they Evil?

No problem with paying KRB millions for meals not served?

A contractual dispute.

No problem with a US Corporation trafficking in people?

A bunch of Nepalnese who were murdered by Terrorist. Their families are contacted by some lawyers and told they can sue KBR. It isn't like they can sue the people who are really responsible for their loss....The terrorists



Tell you what.

I defy you to show me an example of any Large Corporation that isn't being sued and accused of some sort of impropriety. Just One!

[janvanvurpa]

At Vop---at, not in conversation or debate, I don't converse with people that socialize and apologize for murderers and terrorists---and brag about it.


Does the news not reach that isolated wasteland where you are holed up? No recollection of recent events? Early onset Ahlheimers, or the sun cooked the braon too much?

VOp is the worst kind of troll, the one that pretends he doesn't know things..
Anybody else want to waste a few minutes:
http://dpc.senate.gov/hearings/heari...ointreport.pdf

Of course the United States Senate are probably a bunch of Baukunists Revolutionaries to VOP

And maybe for VOP charging $800,000,000 for meals never served, perhaps that's "just a contractual dispute" but to any sentient being able to glance at the above report, it sure as hell is obviously part of a pattern that was condoned..


And somebody politer than I explain to the friend of terrorist, and fugitive from law that we are not discussing "any Large Corporation", this thread, since his attention span is defective, was about insane and ridiculous waste of taxpayer money----destabilizing world security as it enriches a few tenths of one percent of my country.

Lame attempt at changing the subject. Lame even for Vop.

$400 per gallon gas to drive debate over cost of war in Afghanistan - TheHill.com

$400 per gallon gas to drive debate over cost of war in Afghanistan
By Roxana Tiron - 10/15/09 08:34 PM ET
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The Pentagon pays an average of $400 to put a gallon of fuel into a combat vehicle or aircraft in Afghanistan.

The statistic is likely to play into the escalating debate in Congress over the cost of a war that entered its ninth year last week.

Pentagon officials have told the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee a gallon of fuel costs the military about $400 by the time it arrives in the remote locations in Afghanistan where U.S. troops operate.

“It is a number that we were not aware of and it is worrisome,” Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the chairman of the House Appropriations Defense panel, said in an interview with The Hill. “When I heard that figure from the Defense Department, we started looking into it.”

The Pentagon comptroller’s office provided the fuel statistic to the committee staff when it was asked for a breakdown of why every 1,000 troops deployed to Afghanistan costs $1 billion. The Obama administration uses this estimate in calculating the cost of sending more troops to Afghanistan.

[airshifter]

For those thinking this is pizza delivery, $400 a gallon fuel costs may seem high. For those dealing in reality they would accept it as a very high cost of dealing with very remote locations and transporting goods that change hands many times in a high security situation. There are many situations where the fuel used to transport other fuel is many times over the fuel that ends up at the final location. Add to that often dealing with contract agreements supporting the countries and it may well cost half of that before the military puts their hands on it. From there they have to get it to very remote areas.

The same applies to just about anything in a remote military environment. It's not as if you simple hire a driver to deliver across town.




As for the Haliburton contracts, people that actually research the issue will find that many were put out to bid, and the only company that could accomplish the task was Haliburton or one of their other branches. There have been a great deal of "questioned" costs, and the vast majority have been cleared by the GAO. If proven to have intentionally overbilled on any disputed item, they could be charged with fraud. If the things claimed by so many were black and white and fact, by now Haliburton would have been not only charged but convicted of fraud.