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1st March 2012, 22:01 #91
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Originally Posted by race aficionado
Any one who waits till misery, evil or the enemy has arrived is a fool who deserves anything either of the tree can bring down on that one's life.
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1st March 2012, 22:13 #92
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Originally Posted by Rollo
It is based on the premise that they have the right to have or not to have as they see fit, not as any government force of any type should be able to decide.
I know people who have tens to dozens of firearms, most of which have not been fired nor ever will be.
Many of the ones unfired, both rifle and handgun, are the ones that make bullet proof vests worthless but would work well on a Cape Bufflalo.
I fired a 20mm Solothurn anti-tank rifle that was for sale, with ammunition.
IF I had the, substantial, money for the rifle, all I would have to do is pay the two hundred dollars, file the paperwork and I could take it home and have it sitting fully-loaded in the living room should I so decide.
If I filed the proper paper work, payed the four figure permit fee, I could buy and sell without the two hundred dollar fee, most any military/poliice weapon I could afford, at prices a minimum of one half of those payed by people without that permit.
There is a pilot in the U.S. who recently recieved ATF permissiom tp have fully functional machines gun in the wings of his WWII fighter.
Even in the comparative sad state we are in, God bless the fact I live in the U.S. of A.
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1st March 2012, 22:18 #93
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
At the same time, when as a landlord I was threatened with firearm violence in front of the police we had called, I asked later how long I had to wait if he was serious.
The police officer said shoot him through the door.
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1st March 2012, 22:24 #94
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Originally Posted by Rollo
He lost.
At the same time, Koresh lost, but in the aftermath, a great deal more than a few peole, believe the government was the evil agressor in that case.
Of course when the Feds. burn alive women and children, it is not hard to see why.
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1st March 2012, 22:30 #95
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Originally Posted by henners88
Do you have some paranoid fear of a firearm?
Do you live fully believing some sort of Bogey man nightmare will have if one has firearms in the house?
If it is never used in defense, one can A: leave it sit til the day he dies, B: Go out and practice with it, C: Every now and then clean and service it, so it function properly or D: make part of a collection.
In your world there is E: live in constant state of nightmare fear that the gun will suddnely rise up and shoot innocent women and children.
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1st March 2012, 22:31 #96
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Originally Posted by Bob RiebeThe Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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1st March 2012, 22:33 #97
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Originally Posted by schmenke
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1st March 2012, 22:36 #98
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Originally Posted by Rollo
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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Originally Posted by schmenkeThe Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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1st March 2012, 22:58 #100
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Originally Posted by Rollo
As happened in the civil war, if this country had another full scale internal war, it would probably not be just private firearms against the military.
They are called civilian soldiers, and will choose their own masters.
The militia statement is a separate point from the right of the people to keep and bear arm but both are addressed by the closing statement-- SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Only bearing arms is an absolute right.
The Supreme Court made that absolute definition just recently. To do otherwise makes grammar in law worthless.
The commas that separates the militia from the right to keep and bear arms and from "shall not be infringed" makes them separate points.
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