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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Besides, having as many teams as seven is very exceptional situation in the history of WRC. The norm has been about half of that so what we really need is not that much, provided that Citroen stays with real intention.

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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Donty get too hung up on the value of manufacturers teams, if they all left the sport would evolve and survive, they arent a bad thing for the sport but they certainly arent the be all and end all for it, in ways they have used there power to stem some of the good bits of the sport

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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by noel157
    Personally I can't see not being able to buy a street version of a C4/Fiesta/Polo/I30 4wd etc an issue.

    It's the spectacle and competition (often not too much of that....) that attracts the more casual fan.
    There's the critical thing. Rally has since the "World rally Car" rules become "just a spectacle" in a media world filled with tons of other spectacles.

    Gone totally ---except at the club level in great events like Finlands amazing F-cup---is the old idea of what I call "identification".

    Now just parade ANYTHING (rally car, Touring car, drag car, F1 car, moto-cross bike, sail boat, airplane, skateboard, skier, Monster truck ANY thing) plastered 100% in Bed Rull, Dubai, Microsoft, Merril Lynch signage , pay some fools to babble and rant and "analyze' the "brilliant move" by some schmuck---and you've done what you intended.

    Like most things "made for TV" the thing itself (in our case rally) is relatively unimportant, it is a small part of the "media package".

    Mirek is right, tho. The economics of building good base cars in the old 5000 units or the reduced 2500 means we won't see anything like the cars we once saw--and own.

    So our choice is simple, we should be simple minded, obedient media consumers and learn from the F1 and Nascar fans---maybe if we all stuffed enough burgers and swilled enough beer and Bed Rull or Monsterous Energy drink to paralyze our brains, we could argue incessantly about each gearchange some guy manages to do like its an important and amazing achievement...

    Or we could just build nice simple cars from the 80s and 90s and go get sideways ourselves!
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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
    Quote Originally Posted by noel157
    Personally I can't see not being able to buy a street version of a C4/Fiesta/Polo/I30 4wd etc an issue.

    It's the spectacle and competition (often not too much of that....) that attracts the more casual fan.
    There's the critical thing. Rally has since the "World rally Car" rules become "just a spectacle" in a media world filled with tons of other spectacles.

    Gone totally ---except at the club level in great events like Finlands amazing F-cup---is the old idea of what I call "identification".

    Now just parade ANYTHING (rally car, Touring car, drag car, F1 car, moto-cross bike, sail boat, airplane, skateboard, skier, Monster truck ANY thing) plastered 100% in Bed Rull, Dubai, Microsoft, Merril Lynch signage , pay some fools to babble and rant and "analyze' the "brilliant move" by some schmuck---and you've done what you intended.

    Like most things "made for TV" the thing itself (in our case rally) is relatively unimportant, it is a small part of the "media package".

    Mirek is right, tho. The economics of building good base cars in the old 5000 units or the reduced 2500 means we won't see anything like the cars we once saw--and own.

    So our choice is simple, we should be simple minded, obedient media consumers and learn from the F1 and Nascar fans---maybe if we all stuffed enough burgers and swilled enough beer and Bed Rull or Monsterous Energy drink to paralyze our brains, we could argue incessantly about each gearchange some guy manages to do like its an important and amazing achievement...

    Or we could just build nice simple cars from the 80s and 90s and go get sideways ourselves!

    Awesome post!!!

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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    does anyone know if it's certain for Mikko Hirvonen comming back to M-Sport?
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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    The majority of people here I suspect...

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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Eli
    does anyone know if it's certain for Mikko Hirvonen comming back to M-Sport?
    if somebody confirm it for you then you will begin asking for another driver.

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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by Eli
    does anyone know if it's certain for Mikko Hirvonen comming back to M-Sport?
    How old are you? Sorry, but your questioning reminds me of my 6 year old niece.


    Have to disagree with NOT, Even at the local level you have to have some "money." Like when you call Janvanvurpa for his $2500 suspension, and your nearest event is a 10hr drive for an entry fee of $600, and the sanctioning body decides to finally update helmet rules and deems your $600 helmet unusable for next year after only 8 events. So it's all relative but it still takes money
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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by TyPat107
    Quote Originally Posted by Eli
    does anyone know if it's certain for Mikko Hirvonen comming back to M-Sport?
    How old are you? Sorry, but your questioning reminds me of my 6 year old niece.


    Have to disagree with NOT, Even at the local level you have to have some "money." Like when you call Janvanvurpa for his $2500 suspension, and your nearest event is a 10hr drive for an entry fee of $600, and the sanctioning body decides to finally update helmet rules and deems your $600 helmet unusable for next year after only 8 events. So it's all relative but it still takes money
    I'm truely sorry, i will stop asking those stupid questions, i promise
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    Re: M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by TyPat107
    Quote Originally Posted by Eli
    does anyone know if it's certain for Mikko Hirvonen comming back to M-Sport?
    How old are you? Sorry, but your questioning reminds me of my 6 year old niece.

    what a cheeky twat, it was a simple enough question which there was no need for you pathetic answer smartarse
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