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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    What experience and changes do you think Ford performance will bring to M-Sport? To be honest, I would maybe think they can possibly do something with the engine, but I can't see how they can bring technical assistance to the rest of the car. M-Sport are doing an incredible job and they have basically funded the Fiesta development through the sales of customer cars.

    The way I see it, is that they are the experts, not ford performance.

    Like I said, possibly the engine (as in Ford can blow as many up as they want testing and developing), but M-Sport shouldn't be underestimated, Eddie, they are the ones with the knowledge in this situation.

    Ford will probably just help from a budget point of view and make it 'look' like they are responsible for some additional development, whereas it's probably their cash, not their technical input.

    Just my opinion, but I can't see how they could just come into the WRC blind and 'bring' all this new technology. And don't forget, Ford trusted M-Sport to run the whole show when they were an official manufacturer...
    Ford Performance have a lot of research facilities a their disposal such as windtunnels and computer simulations, currently mostly used for track car engineering (Ford GT WEC). I'm pretty sure the M-Sport boys know what they can make good use of and what is irrelevant to developping a rally car. They currently have the best of both worlds. But as all team managers have alredy stated, progress will not be dramatic. Everyone but Citroen already has a strong package and is close to what the regulations allow. Each team is basically just looking to eliminate their respective weeknesses.

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    I think Ford Performance mostly brought the aero development side in addition to supplying budget, this was stated in an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I think Ford Performance mostly brought the aero development side in addition to supplying budget, this was stated in an interview.
    So not much (technical) then... interesting to see how the aero progresses.

    Front of the car is the same, from what I can see and they have had a few months at least to make changes.

    Haven’t had a good look at the rear spoiler, so I’m not sure if it’s any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    So not much (technical) then... interesting to see how the aero progresses.

    Front of the car is the same, from what I can see and they have had a few months at least to make changes.

    Haven’t had a good look at the rear spoiler, so I’m not sure if it’s any different.
    Pretty sure that it was also stated that no aero changes would happen in first few races

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    Readed that Fiesta 2018 only in Mexico

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    Wilson and Ogier have both made it clear that Ford Performance will help to improve and develop the Fiesta. It's not a case of Ford just providing money for M-Sport to do it. FP have a huge amount of technical facilities and expertise and a lot is transferable to a rally car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Wilson and Ogier have both made it clear that Ford Performance will help to improve and develop the Fiesta. It's not a case of Ford just providing money for M-Sport to do it. FP have a huge amount of technical facilities and expertise and a lot is transferable to a rally car.
    Like I said above, I think you are underestimating M-Sport, Eddie. I'm not entirely convinced that Ford's performance department does have that many skills that M-Sport doesn't already have.

    Wilson and Ogier, I guess, will have to say that Ford are contributing from a technical POV, but M-sport created the car as it is and I think Ford could learn from them, not the other way around.

    Maybe I see Ford Performance as more of a sponsor, rather than a development partner.

    Still a win-win situation for both parties.

    Not entirely sure, but what contribution do Toyota make to the development of the Yaris? (I don't think it's a great deal) and that car has seen great success, considering it's age and the short history of Makkinen's operation, which runs it.

    I guess time will tell though and it will become more apparent, one way or the other as the season unfolds.

    Eddie, on another note; any idea where I can find spectator info for the Malcolm Wilson rally? Cheers.
    Last edited by T16; 4th February 2018 at 15:00.

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    Underestimating M-Sport is the last thing I'm doing, especially after what they achieved last year. As a long-time supporter I'm well aware of their qualities.

    But if Ogier says he needs Ford (Performance) to keep developing the car and make him stay then thats good enough for me.

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    February 24th Estonia has it's Independence day. Every year presidents gives out orders for notable people. This year one of the recipients is Malcolm Wilson

    Maarjamaa Cross V class
    Malcolm Irving Wilson


    Estonian motorsport supporter, United Kingdom
    Malcolm Wilson has played an important part in Estonian motorsport. He helped Markko Märtin as well
    Ott Tänäk to rally world stars. Giving the opportunity to thousands
    Estonians to spectate alongside rally tracks around the world
    and hundreds of thousands Estonians to follow
    their achievements through the media.
    http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudise...id?id=81008665

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    After Mexico, a Fiesta WRC will join the Ford Performance workshops in the USA to work on the aero and the engine. For Wilson, the car did not suffer a big évol for this start of the season, progress will be visible in the second part of the year.


    https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/962257538497605632

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