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    I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.
    Agreed.

    In my mind Tommi Mäkinen Racing is private company backed by car company, there is no "Gazoo" named company in Finland.
    But if we compare all current WRC teams, M-Sport is most privateer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Agreed.

    In my mind Tommi Mäkinen Racing is private company backed by car company, there is no "Gazoo" named company in Finland.
    But if we compare all current WRC teams, M-Sport is most privateer.
    Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

    But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.
    You’re right; still, once Ford is technically helping and somehow funding MSport, it seems a waste not having Ford name in the WRC manufacturer entry and see them not profiting from the new Fiesta rally success (no official mention on the media or throught their importers/dealers net).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

    But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?
    It is indeed Tommi Makinen Racing that runs the WRC team.

    The Toyota Gazoo moniker is a branding that's laid on top of Tommi Makinen Racing.

    The structure is almost identical to how it is / was with Ford and M-Sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.
    No, Ralliart and Prodrive were not factory teams. But they were 'manufactuer' teams.

    M-Sport get technical support - a grey area to what that amounts to - but not enough funds from Ford to officially call it a Manufacturer entry.

    Citroen and Hyundai are factory teams. Their motorsport divisions are owned by the car manufacturer. Toyota is a manufacturer team with the car manufactuer outsourcing and funding the programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    I can't understand how some of you guys are fixated with "factory team". Does it really matter? Was Ralliart or Prodrive a "factory team"? No, they were backed by a car company to run a rally program. Hell, even the TTE was pretty much Ove Anders son's pet project till the mid 90s. What is really significant is that Ford was and is still backing M Sport to run a World Rally program. If the team is not named "Ford World Rally Team" or "Ford Performance " is secondary.
    Yes and no. What matters in the end is technical expertise and dough. M-Sport has plenty of the former and needed more of the latter from Ford to stay competitive and still write paychecks to Ogier and Evans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Tommi Mäkinen Racing does not run the Toyota Yaris WRC cars. Its drivers are Jarkko Nikara, Takamoto Katsuta and Hiroki Arai.

    But it's true that the WRC teams are separate units from the factory. Citroen is probably the most factory-run team of the current ones?
    https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/t...=ampparit:8f57

    Sorry, it´s in Finnish. But actually it´s TMR which builds those Yaris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomhlord View Post
    M-Sport get technical support - a grey area to what that amounts to - but not enough funds from Ford to officially call it a Manufacturer entry.
    Is there a supporting/funding limit from which a brand can figure as a WRC manufacturer entry? Once they allow (and support) a private team to run their models they surely are entitled to get the brand name on the manus entry form. Ford choose not to do it in 2013, as they were having a terrible time (bad financial results, factories closing), but the current situation is much better and, apparently, there’s no reason for not having Ford name on WRC entry list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/t...=ampparit:8f57

    Sorry, it´s in Finnish. But actually it´s TMR which builds those Yaris.
    I understood that TGR buys the development from TMR but TGR is the official company entering the cars to the rallies.

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