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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex009 View Post
    Disgusting to take credit now when M-Sport have won everything in this season without Ford.
    they would win 'nothing' without Ogier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex009 View Post
    Disgusting to take credit now when M-Sport have won everything in this season without Ford.
    If Ford did fund the development of the car then M-Sport have won nothing this season without Ford.

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    OK then why the hell did Ford not come back officially if they were 'fully-funding' the 2017 car ? I think fully-funding is a big statement and we need more confirmation.

    MW has always said how M-Sport designed and built the car and never gave any indication that Ford provided anything but the bare shells and some technical assistance.
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    Ford probably didn't even donour the cars either. It's like in big companies when some engineer solve some issue and then leaders brag about their work how they are solve anything...

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    How M-Sport had new Fiesta shape? Who paid the entry fee to WRC manufacters?

    Ok, less than we like, but Ford support exists. And i remember, even before VW pulls out, 2018 as rumoured date to Ford comeback.

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    M-Sport did a great job this year, but there has always been support from Ford. I know it sounds even a bigger achievement saying "a completely private team with no factory support whatsoever beat 3 giant manufacturers" but once one takes the fanboy blindfold off, the reality is different.

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    Hummm
    Last edited by Andre Oliveira; 26th November 2017 at 15:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
    How M-Sport had new Fiesta shape? Who paid the entry fee to WRC manufacters?

    Ok, less than we like, but Ford support exists. And i remember, even before VW pulls out, 2018 as rumoured date to Ford comeback.
    They are allowed to be competing because they build their car by themself. If another private team do this I don't know maybe build some polos or some other with donour cars they would also be like works' team. I will never give credit to the Ford for 2017 effort, because they didn't gave anything except their brag now. I think that technical support Malcolm doesn't need because he is in sport long enough to have more experience than any of Ford Perfomance guy now. He is only focused on Fords because he is in there all of his life. But he could easily get another way and choose any brand he wants. What he needs is money not some free tehnical advice (probably already know almost all)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    They are allowed to be competing because they build their car by themself. If another private team do this I don't know maybe build some polos or some other with donour cars they would also be like works' team. I will never give credit to the Ford for 2017 effort, because they didn't gave anything except their brag now. I think that technical support Malcolm doesn't need because he is in sport long enough to have more experience than any of Ford Perfomance guy now. He is only focused on Fords because he is in there all of his life. But he could easily get another way and choose any brand he wants. What he needs is money not some free tehnical advice (probably already know almost all)...
    Oh dear.

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