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Thread: Do You Know the Real Islam?
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17th December 2011, 18:58 #121
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Originally Posted by Roamy
There is indeed a passage in the Quran that says "kill the infidels whereever you may find them". The context of the speech was that it was made to rouse Muslim troops who were heavily outnumbered as they escaped from one city to go to another. Essentially if they lost then they would have been eradicated.
Once the Muslims gained power they had to deal with treating non-Muslims as minorities within their community and the passages in the Quran reflect that, setting out the rights of non-Muslims in detail including their legal and political rights. Oddly enough these passages don't attract as much interest from the likes of you.
Understanding the context takes time and requires patience as they are often complicated and require reading about the history of the events around the period the Quran was written in. Sadly both extremists and critics of the religion like you take those words at face value.
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17th December 2011, 19:04 #122
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Organised religion is also about people quietly going to churches, synagogues, mosques and temples on a regular basis, using their religion as a source of strength and as a foundation for a close-knit community, using it to guide their decisions but not pressing it on others. The number of religious people who use their faith for entirely positive reasons vastly outnumbers those who use it for destructive purposes.
It is quite impressive to read about how many scientific advances were made by religious people and lets not pretend that atheist scientists can be easily as dogmatic rejecting scientific advances purely because it threatens their domain too.
I find it quite tiring to keep reading negative comments about religion that are entirely focused on what extremists etc propose rather than on the solid faith and positive behaviour of billions who hold those faiths.
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17th December 2011, 19:33 #123
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Originally Posted by Malbec
I don't believe that people do positive things because of their religion. I think it is the 'humanist' that is in all decent people that encourages us to positive things.
Originally Posted by Malbec
There are many cased where religion has promoted rejection of not only science, but philosphy too. For example, some of Aristotles works were 'lost' because Christians burned or suppressed philosophy on the grounds that there could be no useful reflections on morality before the preaching of Jesus.Tazio 14/3/2015: I'll give every member on this forum 1,000.00 USD if McLaren fails to podium this season!
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17th December 2011, 20:27 #124
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Science is not and has probably never been purely about the proving/disproving of abstract concepts. Behind any new scientific development there are budgets, egos and political factors involved. This is even more true where science intersects with industry which is increasingly common.
Try looking into science in Soviet Russia where anything that contradicted the atheist Communist line was banned.
How about the suppression of evidence that linked cigarette smoking to cancer, initially demonstrated by the Nazis then by scientists elsewhere in the 1960's? There are still scientists around that try to minimise or disprove that link. Do you believe that those scientists are all religious or do you think another factor, namely massive funding budgets from tobacco companies might be an influence? How about the climate change debate?
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18th December 2011, 03:15 #125
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If god created adam and eve 6000 years ago how can people of god explain the earliest human remains from 11,000 years ago? Crazy scientists right?
So if god created everything did he also create cancer,hiv,plagues etc?If yes then he's a mass murderer right?
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18th December 2011, 04:58 #126
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
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18th December 2011, 05:02 #127
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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
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18th December 2011, 05:05 #128
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Quite telliing really.
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18th December 2011, 07:29 #129
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Originally Posted by Malbec
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a TimeObama to Biden - "Let the Welfare checks rain upon the Earth - I am going to a barbecue"
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Originally Posted by JackSparrow
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