Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[stefanvv]

Fiesta R5 on tarmac is also some kind of questionmark, we know that on gravel it's fast car, but not yet proven on tarmac.

It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.

[liposh]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March.

It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.

The speed is OK, but there is a lot of work to set the suspensions correctly. The S2000 suspensions has a little advance in this point.

[RS]

It's hard to judge speed of 208 R5, so many drivers will wait for it's first rallies to compare it with Fiesta.
Fiesta R5 on tarmac is also some kind of questionmark, we know that on gravel it's fast car, but not yet proven on tarmac.
So many teams/drivers are waiting with their decisions.

Plenty of people bought the Fiesta without knowing whether it was any good.

[Sulland]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March

So both PSA cars at the same time?
I thought the Cit would come later than the Pug.

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta are fast with good drivers? YES. The car doesn't do miracles

[stefanvv]

DS3 R5 homologation is planned either for 1st January or 1st March.

It is competitive, Neuville drove it in Ypres as zero car, this month Donchev won Rally Sliven in Bulgaria.

The speed is OK, but there is a lot of work to set the suspensions correctly. The S2000 suspensions has a little advance in this point.

It is fast enough on gravel with more complex suspension setup, but it is hard to make setup on asphalt?!? Sounds little boyscout to me.

EDIT: Besides I don't think suspension would be much different to S2000

[Mirek]

Have you ever seen a stage like Semetín, Troják or Pindula from Barum rally? That's what Liposh is talking about and what is more complex for suspension than any gravel rally because for example on Troják You have everything from flat wide roads through tens of types of asphalt with gravel and mud on it up to to extremely bumpy macadam. That's where Fiesta R5 lacks in the moment but it was same with Fiesta S2000 initially. It took really long to find setup for it useful on Czech stages. With R5 it's even more complex due to the simple fact that all four suspension corners must be same.

[stefanvv]

Have you ever seen a stage like Semetín, Troják or Pindula from Barum rally? That's what Liposh is talking about and what is more complex for suspension than any gravel rally because for example on Troják You have everything from flat wide roads through tens of types of asphalt with gravel and mud on it up to to extremely bumpy macadam. That's where Fiesta R5 lacks in the moment but it was same with Fiesta S2000 initially. It took really long to find setup for it useful on Czech stages. With R5 it's even more complex due to the simple fact that all four suspension corners must be same.

I have actually, we have one such stage here in Rally Tvarditsa - Devina, here is Surilov onboard from this year ediition - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmg_dnU_sCM. I know it is hard to find perfect compromise in the suspension setup on such stages, but I was speaking in general for nice asphalt stages. BTW in this stage, Donchev with his first appearance with R5 did similar time with Iliev with Fabia on the second pass (which is supposed to be the worse case with all the durt on the road).
I also didn't know about the geometry differences in suspension between S2000 & R5.

[AdvEvo]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

[Mirek]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

I heard about prices 150-160 Euro/km for Fiesta R5 from Czech teams. Anyway it's up to manufacturers if they are interested in 4WD production cars or not. Sadly they don't seem to be so.