Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Andre Oliveira]

All you can know about Fiesta R5 here: http://ewrc-results.com/cars.php?cid...Ford-Fiesta-R5

1 - PX62 AVJ
2 - PX13 ACF
3 - PX13 ATU -> SP 0302 -> 12-84391 -> SP 0302
4 - PX13 AUA -> SP 0301
5 - PX13 AUF -> 10R 0127
6 - PX13 ASU -> JM 2221
7 - PX13 ARZ
8 - PX13 AUC -> CA 0212 XB
9 - PX13 AUE
10- PX13 ASO
11- PX13 ATZ
12- PX13 ASV
13- PX13 ATK -> 02R 0061
14- PX13 ATF
15- PX13 AKU (mistake) -> PX13 AUK -> 14R 0244
16- PX13 ATV
17- PX13 AUH -> 5377 HVX
18- PX13 ATO -> SP 0344 (never used, to sell without seats)
19- PX13 ASZ -> BNK 346
20- PX13 ATN
21- PX13 ATY -> F10 WRT
22- LJ63 KEK
23- LJ63 KLV -> EAD 190
24- PX13 AUJ
25- LJ63 KSU
26- LJ63 KNN
27- LJ63 KJO -> DBJ 359
28- PY63 LWS -> PY13 LWS (mistake) -> PY63 LWS
29- PY63 LWK
30- PY63 LWD -> KF 81165
31- PY63 LWF -> SP 0379
32- PY63 LWJ -> BLN 505
33- PY63 LWV
34- TK 0455L
35- PY63 LWG -> W2 FF1
36- PY63 LWN
37- SP 0345
38- PY63 LWR -> SP 0343
39- TK 1403L
40- PY63 LWO -> B 200 CMS
41- PY63 LWP -> 5372 HVX
42- PY63 LWH -> EV 014 VJ
43- unknown plate (A-Style)
44- DC-647-JP
45- PY63 LWT
46- PY63 LWU
47- PY63 LZA (MTM srl, only used to test)
48- PY63 LZB -> CJ 13 MCT
49- unknown plate (C-Rally Poland)
50- PX63 LYX -> D3 UAE
51- PY63 LYZ -> W3 FF1
52- PY63 LYU
53- PY63 LYT
54- PY63 LYW
55- PY63 LYS (Fastfoward, never used)
56- PY63 LYR
57- PY63 LZE
58- PY63 LYP
59- PX14 HUZ
60- PX14 HUY
61- PX14 HVH
62- DF-600-KY
63- PY63 LZF
64- PY63 LZC
65- PX14 HVJ
66- PX14 HUP
67- PX14 HVG
68- Unknown plate and owner
69- PX14 HVD (Eamonn Boland, only used in German rally test)
70- PX14 HVK (Eamonn Boland, never used)
71- PX14 HVB -> SR 2777G
72- PX14 HVE (2C Competition, never used)
73- PX14 HUV (Alexander Alibekov, never used)
74- PX14 HVF (M-Sport, never used)
75- PX14 HUU
76- PX14 HVA (2C Competition, never used)
77- TK 8955L

PX14 HWY (Bernini, Italia) -> Chassis ???
TK 3143L (Rzeznik, Poland) -> Chassis ???

[Tom206wrc]

This week-end Philippe Greiffenberg runs the Rallye d'Autun in the PH Sport Citroën DS3 R5 to prepare the Mont-Blanc(held on 6th september)

[br21]

Dynoproject dyno.
Max boost those cars are allowed is 1,5bar (controlled by FIA). And cars are almost reaching it, building around 1,45b boost.

[Mirek]

Fabia R5 again, new video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IQHoLxrMCE

[OldF]

I don't know dyno charts from current WRC, so can't compare. Curves are more or less similar to gp N, of course restrictor in R5 is smaller so car chokes a little.
It was hub dyno, as only to check in general how it looks, compare fuels, etc.

Dynoproject dyno.
Max boost those cars are allowed is 1,5bar (controlled by FIA). And cars are almost reaching it, building around 1,45b boost.

I assume that the spike on the torque curve for a R5 is not as sharp as for a N4. N4 having a bigger engine capacity and higher boost gives higher max torque which then decline faster (boost dropping) compared to the R5 torque curve i.e. the R5 keeps the torque closer to the peak torque on higher revs compared to a N4. Right? Both have same size of restrictor.

[br21]

I assume that the spike on the torque curve for a R5 is not as sharp as for a N4. N4 having a bigger engine capacity and higher boost gives higher max torque which then decline faster (boost dropping) compared to the R5 torque curve i.e. the R5 keeps the torque closer to the peak torque on higher revs compared to a N4. Right? Both have same size of restrictor.

R5 has 32mm restrictor.
Biggest problem in R5 cars is that FIA control pop-off valve which is purely mechanical and car manufacturers can't control them as they would like to. So they are forced to make a lot of strategies to limit boost just below pop-off activating level, so sometimes throttle is closing automatically a little bit, sometimes wastegate opens, etc.

[Mirek]

First before I start writing my impressions from Barum rally here are my thoughts about Fabia R5.

I prefer S2000 to spectate any day. The R5 is really quiet and even the anti-lag bubbling isn't heard from distance. It's huuuge difference if You wait at the flat out corner in the forest and hear the screaming S2000 in the rpm limiter or nothing until You see the car.

The car was running really soft setup. At first it appeared quite unbalanced and a bit unstable on brakes and acceleration. It looked better in later stages though. Suspension-wise the S2000 looked working better for me.

No matter how it looks it has a lot of torque. Kopecký took the city stage in a very flamboyant style and the car had no problems with very long drifts on dry asphalt.

No matter how it looks it's fast already. I measured times on several stages and I'm pretty sure Kopecký would win the rally if he was classified.

[stefanvv]

The R5 is really quiet and even the anti-lag bubbling isn't heard from distance.

"Fiesta" quiet, or....

[marcosg]

would he win it if he was competing against himself on the s2000? clearly agree with you about the screaming sound of s2000 cars and about the torque, specially against fiesta...

[marcosg]

"Fiesta" quiet, or....

similar i think... best engine sound is definitly peugeot's