Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[EightGear]

Abbring's time in the Peugeot will be of some value too I guess. Everything he has seen there, should not be copied to the i20.

[Jack4688`]

Is it possible that they will cram 9/12/18 months' worth of test outings into 6 months?

[dimviii]

Is it possible that they will cram 9/12/18 months' worth of test outings into 6 months?

from what we have seen from previous projects,no.

[makinen_fan]

Is it possible that they will cram 9/12/18 months' worth of test outings into 6 months?

It is not just the testing miles. There needs to be time to understand any problems and improve the car and deal with them.

[EightGear]

It does seem very opportunistic. Besides the R5, they will need to develop the '17 WRC and keep developing the '16 WRC.

Realistically I can only see the car in Ypres being the 0 car like both the Fiesta and 208 back in 2013.

[dimviii]

While the Hyundai i20 R5 begins to take its first steps and Citroen / Peugeot, like M-Sport prepares his great evolution to stand up to Skoda Fabia R5, another brand is planning the arrival of their own version of which is currently the second category of the World Rally Championship (first in cases such as the ERC and various National Championships). Toyota finally seems determined and after delaying the development of a version of the Yaris R5 repeatedly seems to already have date for its debut: 2018.

Until then there is much work ahead for the men of Tommi Mäkinen, who should be responsible for the development of the first World Rally Car version for the upcoming season. It is not excluded that TMG help in this project to make a R5 intended customers, nor that Mäkinen decide foguear the Japanese pilots, Hiroki Arai (son of Toshihiro) and Takamoto Katsuta, which has under its wing in the development of this new Toyota Yaris.

As soon as we have time to focus on that will. We are studying different areas anymore. We talked to people from TMG and of course with Toyota Motor Company for its Merca and the overall situation. This definitely will not be for 2017, expected to be 2018. If we could start now, we might have a car ready for 2017, but I see no sense in bringing the car into production if not fast enough.



http://www.diariomotor.com/competici...objetivo-2018/

[Jarek Z]

M-Sport was gambling and succeeded thanks to the fail of PSA.

Gambling? Didn't Lemmy (R.I.P.) say that gambling was for fools?
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/motor...des148708.html

[Rally Power]

Is it possible that they will cram 9/12/18 months' worth of test outings into 6 months?

It'll be always more than 6 moths. The news said they want to get it ready at the end of the summer (late September) and that their main aim is to get units available for 2017 costumers programs. Having these in mind, it seems reasonable to expect homologation to happen only at the end of the year, or even at the beginning of January.

The joker's limitations gives manus greater responsibility to get things properly done, but R5 rules are stricter than WRC, with the use of control and even stock parts. Also, they can use the body shell/roll cage work from the WRC version and probably the R5 engine development is outsourced. 10 to 12 months can be enough to sort out a competitive car.

We all have in mind Skoda's long and great development work on the Fabia, but as far as I remember their testing calendar was also extended because of delays on the road model launch/start of production. That's not an issue for the i20.

[RS]

I think Skoda were testing for about one and a half years in total.

I wonder whether the next iteration of the R5 rules will give an 'upgrade' in order to maintain the gap with the new 2017 World Rally Cars?

[liposh]

I think that is the point. The gap must be bigger and that is partially why WRC2017 will have new rules. Moreover you can´t make R5 faster with same price without reliability loss. Maybe better sound would be appreciated, but I don´t think producers would like it, because sound is also wasting of energy.