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17th October 2011, 09:27 #131
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Originally Posted by darkstar
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17th October 2011, 10:10 #132
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Originally Posted by Sladden
juwra.com**|**Season 1995 - Championship standings
It was the clear turning point in mid season, pre NZ:
Sainz - 50p
McRae - 20p.
If Sainz start in NZ, he is the absolute team no.1. in the second half of the season, even with a bad result in NZ(maybe a +1 with a healthy engine in AUS) - it means no chance for McRae
If Sainz the World Champion in 1995, he did not go to Ford in 1996 etc...
(here we have a lot of nice 'what if' scenarios)
Originally Posted by Sladden
He is the most unlucky champion at me...
Originally Posted by Sladden
juwra.com**|**Season 1997 - Championship standings
McRae had 5x retirements - 2x his own fault(MC ice-recce fault?) and 3x technical
Makinen had 4x retirements - 1x his own, 1x more own maybe(radiator in ID) 1x hit cow on Corsica(Tommi was very competitive on tarmac already in that year) 1x front-diff
Sainz 5x retirements - 5x technical KO!!! +1x 0p in Spain which was technical too
So, at me in 1997 Sainz was the most unlucky(again ), who could win also with a bit more reliable Ford.
But you are right, McRae was very near.
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juwra.com**|**Season 1998 - Championship standings
This year I can not agree, because Makinen had 6x! retirements in that season, good chance for everybody else...
Sainz was really unlucky in this season again, but the real speed was at Makinen.
Probably you seen McRae's 5x retirements only, in which 4x were technical.
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juwra.com**|**Season 2001 - Championship standings
Very interesting season, with a lot of 0p. at everybody.
Burns - 4x retirements (+2x 0p.)
McRae - 5x (+3x 0p.)
Makinen - 6x (+1x 0p.)
Grönholm - 8x (+1x 0p.)
At me the speed was at Makinen in this year also. But this is subjective.Few oldies from my archives: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/1484501
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18th October 2011, 22:58 #133
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19th October 2011, 09:37 #134
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All have great sympathy with Carlos for the season ending in 1998, but can anyone remember why Tommi did not complete the Rally GB this year?
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19th October 2011, 09:55 #135
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Originally Posted by Coach 2
http://www.juwra.com/season_1998_points.html
The Corolla was very competitive on tarmac, even vs kitcars >
http://www.juwra.com/catalunya_1998_results.html
but Sainz had badluck(again). In Spain a puncture, in Corsica electrical(?) 2x 0p.
AFAIK a lucky win for McRae in Corsica(rain + Pirelli)
http://www.juwra.com/corsica_1998_results.htmlFew oldies from my archives: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/1484501
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19th October 2011, 10:15 #136
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What I meant by the question Roberts, is that everyone seems to remember that Carlos had engine problems 400 m before the finish on the last SS, and lost the World Cup title for this reason.
But there does not appear that anyone remembers why Mækinen had to retire in the same race.
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19th October 2011, 10:29 #137
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Originally Posted by Coach 2
Originally Posted by RobertS
We see it very same.
Originally Posted by Coach 2
Was somebody there - where Makinen hit the concrete-bloc - to warn Sainz, to slow down?Few oldies from my archives: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/1484501
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19th October 2011, 10:57 #138
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This question was not intended specifically for you Roberts.
But what I wanted out of the question, is to refresh the people's Memory, or the lack of it.
In that year had some historic cars driven in the SS1 before Mækinen came as start number one.
One of these cars had failure of either engine or gearbox inside the stage, and had released large amounts of oil on the asphalt. Mækinen hit this oil, and destroyed a rear wheel. The rest of the participants were warned about this and no one else had an accident.
On the way to the next service, Mækinen was stopped by police and had to withdraw from the rally.
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19th October 2011, 11:22 #139
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you are right in what you say Coach, Tommi was taken out through no fault of his own, it must have been a long rally for him waiting in the expectation of the title going from him.
a bit of topic, but why had Sainz no rear spoiler on that last stage?
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19th October 2011, 12:23 #140
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Originally Posted by Coach 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5vz1DKNCNs
that yellow jacket-guy
I think all of these are 'what if's' or hard statements:
- Without the warning from the yellow-jacket guy Sainz hit that concrete too.
or
- all the same, without that 'warning' Sainz go through in that corner without problem
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- Makinen was a bit too fast there + the oil on the road
We will never know....
Were there any warnings at the start of that stage for Sainz, which was not for MakinenFew oldies from my archives: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/1484501
You're a 100% right. FIA should rattle the manufacturer's cage. Take the compromise or go. Rally 1s are dead in the water. If manufacturers don't agree, make Rally 2s as they are now the top category...
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