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29th August 2011, 18:59 #11
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29th August 2011, 19:06 #12
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There were comments during the week end about Pirelli and the FIA trying to force RBR to start the race on the prime tires from the pit lane.
I wonder why would that would have been good for everyone, but RBR.
Anyway RBR refused and it seems they judged teh tires better then Pirelli who actually builds them. No surprise really.
Seb gave Pirelli his own opinion about the situation before the start:
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29th August 2011, 19:23 #13
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That's not the way I read the situation .
As I understand it , Pirelli expressed concern , Red Bull confirmed the camber angle , and were given the options of running as they were , or starting from pit lane , allowing for a tire change , and camber and/or pressure changes to stop the blistering .
They opted for staying put , rather than dealing with the safety concern in the pit lane .
And , judging by Newey's comments , they ran closer to disaster than he's ever done before .
It sounds like he feels more like he's been lucky here , rather than a good judge .
Who is held responsible if that disaster was to occur ?
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29th August 2011, 19:38 #14
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
How is this done? Is it relatively simple on an F1 car?“If everything's under control, you're going too slow.” Mario Andretti
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29th August 2011, 19:44 #15
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Originally Posted by schmenke
The only driver in a top team who seemed not to have heavy blistering on his front left tire was Massa, the other ones were all having this problem.
In the end this is F1 and the tire supplier should provide F1 level tires that can cope with what the teams throw at them.
Michelin left F1 over a similar problem, Pirelli prefer to point the finger to the others instead of getting their fingers out of their rears and working hard.
PS: It is not simple to do especially as they will know bugger all about how the car will react to such setup change.Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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29th August 2011, 20:05 #16
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Originally Posted by ioanRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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29th August 2011, 20:48 #17
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I've never visually noted any unusual camber in F1, but Vettel's right-front was almost comical-looking. Very strange.
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29th August 2011, 21:05 #18
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Originally Posted by ioan
For instance in NASCAR, teams may go beyond Goodyear's advice and wear the right-front tyres down to the cord.
When BTCC race at Thruxton some drivers go beyond Dunlop's advice on camber angles and tyre puncture are not uncommon.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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30th August 2011, 04:16 #19
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In answer to the original question, if a team sets up a car not within the recommendations given by the tire company, any consequence of a dangerous situation resulting from that is on the team IMO. F1 is about pushing limits as well all know. But when a team is pushing limits beyond a given spec and then pointing fingers at a supplier for a safety issue it's simply wrong.
As usual the FIA give lip service about safety issues, and didn't really get properly involved. Personally I think if Red Bull voiced safety concerns they should have measured the camber angles on the cars, and then forced Red Bull to correct the situation and start from pit lane. My guess is that the true intention of Red Bull was simply to start the race on fresh tires without penalty, due to screwing up their setup and eating up tires.
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30th August 2011, 08:52 #20
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