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Thread: Ferrari - Does F1 need them?
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22nd June 2011, 19:42 #11
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No team, or individual is indispensable to any sport, so F1 could survive without Ferrari, it would just be a very different spectacle.
Ferrari's appeal to many is their competitive record. Through good, bad, or indifferent seasons, they have answered the green flag for world championship races. This is where they differ from all their rivals, no matter how many titles and records achieved, they can be counted to show up for the next race. In one of their very worst periods, 1982-83, they still bagged consecutive World Constructors titles, despite losing two drivers permanently and relying on 5 all together. By comparison this equals total WCC wins for Brabham and Cooper, venerable rivals who have both retired from the fray.
Ferrari certainly doesn't need F1 in order to sell production cars. They have won enough championships to rest on their record for decades to come, after all, what most of their competitors do. At Le Mans, despite not competing officially for 35 years, their record of 9 wins was just passed by Audi last week, relegating them to 3rd place. In the GT category, they won their class as recently as 2009.
Despite threatening to leave F1 at different times since 1950, Ferrari have missed only a handful of races. I don't expect them to leave now, and certainly hope that they continue to race. This is what they are all about.
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22nd June 2011, 21:01 #12
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
F1 will carry on who ever left the sport, but I believe the presence of Ferrari is a help not a hinderence.
However nearly all fans would still follow and watch F1.
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23rd June 2011, 04:59 #13
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F1 could continue even if many teams left the sport, as long as other teams were willing to come into the mix. This applies to Ferrari the same it applies to Virgin IMO. To think that the sport wouldn't survive without them is rather strange, but I'll agree that the sport would be poorer without Ferrari, or for that matter any of the upper level teams.
Ferrari as a road car manufacturer could survive without F1, but the brand image would suffer somewhat. I'd have to agree that Ferrari needs F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari.
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23rd June 2011, 07:37 #14
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Let's ask this question as though it were 1980... Lotus - Does F1 need them?
Let's ask this question as though it were 1952... Alfa Romeo - Does F1 need them?
Let's ask this question as though it were 1957... Mercedes-Benz - Does F1 need them?
Formula One not only does survive if some of the teams with a rich racing tradition leave, but it does so almost forgetting their memory once they've gone. If Ferrari were to leave, then we'd feel a bit sad for their leaving, then after about the French GP of that season, move on.
Formula One would survive without Ferrari but would Ferrari survive without Formula One? Probably. They'd almost certainly lose their lustre though, just like Jaguar did when it left sports car racing or Maserati did when it left F1.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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23rd June 2011, 09:11 #15
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Yes F1 would survive as the sport is bigger than any one team. Perhaps the question is more a case of which team would F1 miss the most? I think the answer is Ferrari.
Personally, I doubt I would keep more than a passing interest in F1 if Ferrari were to leave. I've been supporting them for over 20 years. I simply couldn't switch my allegiance to another team and I've never supported drivers. The Ferrari drivers only ever had my support while they drove for Maranello.
Without a team to support, and therefore something to keep me emotionally invested, my interest would wane. I have no real interest in the WRC now that Subaru are gone for example. Take away a persons emotional investment in a sport and what's to keep them coming back?Forza Ferrari!!
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23rd June 2011, 09:15 #16
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
That's why I watch F1. Racing entertainment. F1 is first of all a show and that's why it would very much survive Ferrari's departure. It all comes down to entertainment in the end.
My favourite team are McLaren but I can say for definite that should they leave the sport I would keep watching and going to races because I love the F1 spectacle as a whole.
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23rd June 2011, 09:28 #17
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That's a good point Hawk. There are obviously going to be people that decide not to watch F1 because a particular team leaves and some Ferrari fans wouldn't consider F1 to be worthwhile without the Prancing Horse but I would hope that most true race fans would remain. Less dedicated fans will probably just carry on watching for the spectacle as normal as the history and nostalgia is secondary to the entertainment. Therefore, the actual impact on the sport would be minimal.
Lets just hope that it never happens though as it would be a sad day if we lost you weird and wonderful, myopic, single-minded Tifosi
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23rd June 2011, 09:36 #18
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
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23rd June 2011, 11:57 #19
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
What your're talking about, watching F1 simply for the racing, sounds completely souless to me (no offense intended). I bet F1 fans in Britain were much happier than their counterparts in Germany after Canada, despite the fact that both had witnessed a great race. Why? Becuase they had the emotional high of seeing their compatriot win. It added something special to the race that wouldn't have been there had it been Webber or Rosberg who'd snatched victory on the last lap.
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Originally Posted by henners88Forza Ferrari!!
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23rd June 2011, 13:22 #20
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Suppose for instance that VXRacing left the BTCC. Would the BTCC continue to field about 25 cars in a race? Would the BTCC survive?
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I ask the question if most people follow teams or drivers and I tend to think the latter; I will follow any British driver for instance. I remember Mansell at Lotus, Williams, Ferrari back at Williams and later at McLaren. To be totally honest it bothered not a gnat's nadger which team he drove for. Likewise the Australian media tends to follow Mark Webber and they're not bothered if he drove for Minardi, Jaguar, Williams or Red Bull.The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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