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17th June 2011, 08:41 #41
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I've done a bit of a search on google and it seems what Sir Stirling actually said was:
"I think he was lucky to get all those titles, frankly. He (Schumacher) got them because he was in the right car."
Which IMO is prety accurate, no-one is doubting that he had to drive the car to victory, something he did a huge number of times, but it could easily seen as lucky that Schumacher was in a car good enough to win a championship in at least 7 seasons, not to mention the years he nearly won against JV, Mika and Alonso, so you could argue that for 10 seasons Schumacher had a car capable of wining the title.
Thats not to say he is lucky to actually win, but its pretty fortunate to be in that position for that length of time during his career. He would not have won 7 titles if he'd ended up in a Williams or a MacLaren at the wrong time, but other than a couple of dodgy Ferraris in his early time there he nealry always had a car capable and rarely a teamate as good to challenge him.
It might have been a bit of a controversial statement for Moss to make, but its hardly inaccurate either"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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17th June 2011, 08:56 #42
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Schumacher broke his balls to achieve 7 world championships. The only person I see with a lack of appreciation is Stirling Moss. Schumacher has given a lot to F1 and has earned the right to some respect. He has earned it far more than Moss has as far as I'm concerned.
Regards the drivers of Schumacher's generation, that's an insult to drivers such as Alonso, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Massa etc who all competed against Schumacher in his prime. I also see no evidence to suggest that the current generation of drivers is any better than those in F1 ten years ago. Schumacher simply blew them away in his Ferrari days. F1 always has the best drivers available in the world at all times and unless you can give me some evidence that the level of world talent can somehow vary over the course of a ten year period I’ll stick to what I said, there was no difference in driver talent between Schumaher’s generation and the current one, Schumacher was simply the best driver throughout the course of his first F1 career.
I'm also well aware of Moss's history and how good he was, but the point remains, he never won a world championship and couldn't do so against a guy 18 years his senior. Even after Fangio retired he still didn't become world champion. He came third in 59, 60 and 61. I'd also like to point out that only a few years ago Moss ranked Schumacher as 4th in the pantheon of greatest drivers - yet he still believes that he was lucky to win 7 WDC's. Contradiction? I think so.
Schumacher earned those wins by hard work and determination and doesn't deserve to have those championships devalued and belittled by a guy that couldn't even win one.
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17th June 2011, 09:03 #43
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Originally Posted by Robinho
I'll admit there was some luck, a little, involved to be able to get and attract the right people around him for to develop the Ferrari as they did but it was not luck that won him the 7 WDC's. It was his hard work and skill.
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17th June 2011, 09:42 #44
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And you're entitled to that opinion as it's a completely valid one. However the point is that what Moss said is also a valid opinion and is not indicative of mental illness. I dare say Sir Stirling knows a damn sight more about Formula 1 than anybody on this forum, including myself.
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17th June 2011, 10:27 #45
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17th June 2011, 10:40 #46
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17th June 2011, 10:50 #47
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17th June 2011, 11:08 #48
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17th June 2011, 11:25 #49
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
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