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18th May 2011, 03:07 #11
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Originally Posted by schmenke
High level sources have revealed that the FIA has written to teams informing them that from this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix they will no longer be allowed to continue flowing gases through the engine when the driver is not on the throttle.
It is understood the directive to the teams tells them that, under braking, the throttle input can now be no larger than 10 per cent of its maximum. Some outfits had been gaining aerodynamic benefit from keeping the throttle flow at 100 per cent under braking.
The second article makes more sense:
However, a directive from the FIA clarified that teams were only allowed to use the throttle settings for increasing torque, not for 'aerodynamic performance' - which effectively banned them from keeping gases pushing through the diffuser off-throttle.
Remember this quote from the Australian GP:
Renault blown floor uses 10% more fuel
“Since the RS27’s fuel consumption rate is extremely good, the Renault-equipped teams were able to burn 10% more fuel than normal during the Australian Grand Prix without running out of fuel, therefore giving more exhaust flow to its partners using the blown diffuser” a Renault release revealed.
I am not sure that this new directive will reduce consumption though as presumably the Renault teams will simply run richer engine mappings to gain some power and reduce engine temperature during the race — unless carrying 10% less fuel at the start of the race is of greater benefit.You are here.
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18th May 2011, 05:14 #12
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Originally Posted by nigelred5
It's funny how the FIA decided to leave the double diffusers alone in 2009 and only ban them after the season and then in 2011 they decide an in-season ban is the way to go with blown diffusers. And by funny I mean pathetic.Forza Ferrari!!
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18th May 2011, 08:28 #13
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Originally Posted by HawkmoonOpinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
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18th May 2011, 10:33 #14
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Need to ban those red bull cheaters before vettel scores too many points to lock up the WDC, or do some stripping!!!
First vettel cheats by drinking fake booze on a podium......and now this!!!
Mac is just as guilty as their engine has been sounding very strange on the brakes, so continuing in the historical tradition of the FIA, they should be also be severly punished. They probably stole the idea from red bull anyway
No, seriously..........and it is always better to wait to mid-season to upset the apple cat with such nonsense.Only the dead know the end of war. Plato:beer:
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18th May 2011, 10:42 #15
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18th May 2011, 12:06 #16
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they are only banning the trick electronics to provide exhaust gases to the blown diffusers when there is no throttle, not the blown diffusers themselves, i really don't see that it is that much of an issue, albeit some teams have had the system since last year and most have it now, it would seem sensible to write it out of the rules for next year, but i don't think banning it will be that much of a problem for the teams.
it would appear it will hit the renault teams hardest (Red Bull and Renault specifically) but in all likelihood it will only allow the lowest teams to gain half a second or so on the field when they all lose the system and perhaps bring Red Bull slightly closer to the field.
its nothing like the Double Diffuser situation (apart from being about diffusers) as you couldn't just remove the offending part, it was about redesigning large parts of the car and it had already been subject to protest and deemed legal. It was also a loophole that had existed for a number of years previously that no-one had used before, this is very much new technology developing on the fly."I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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18th May 2011, 14:13 #17
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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Blown-over diffusers are not being banned. The ECU will be revised so you won't get ignition retardation. In other words it will work as they did in the mid-late 80s when DF would switch on/off at corner entry.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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18th May 2011, 15:50 #18
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I'm against penalising teams for being innovative.
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18th May 2011, 16:10 #19
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To clarify, there is currently no "ban":
Then last night, almost a week later, [Charlie Whiting] wrote to the teams again saying that the clampdown was on hold and that it would be discussed at the next Technical Working Group meeting, due to take place the week after the Canadian Grand Prix.
So we'll have at least 3 more races with blown diffusers (Spain, Monaco and Canada); and even then it's not necessarily set in stone that there'll be any changes.Useful F1 Twitter thingy: http://goo.gl/6PO1u
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18th May 2011, 19:32 #20
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just ridiculous
you can't argue with results.
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