Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

[cosmicpanda]

WRC.com being stupid again:

"Like the absolute professional that he also is, Malcolm Wilson refuses to apportion blame to Latvala for the suspension breakage that cost him the rally win, but the truth is that these things don’t tend to break on their own."

I think our friend Antony would disagree. But so does the person they quote as evidence:

"As one senior engineer explained: 'You can easily build a car to resist most types of impact. But the problem is that this inevitably costs weight, which is why Safari cars are always so heavy, for example. So it’s a trade-off: if the driver wants a car that is light enough to be competitive, he will have to accept that there are some things he can’t hit.

“But equally, teams sometimes have to accept that they have made their car too vulnerable in the pursuit of performance. It’s a question of where you draw the line - and what makes that judgment more complicated is the fact that no two impacts are ever quite the same. An impact that a component might comfortably absorb in one direction could break it in a slightly different direction.”

Conclusion: the only thing you can practically do is design a car to resist the most common types of impact and tell your driver to avoid hitting anything, something that Loeb obviously remembered when he saw that bull all those years ago. And he obviously remembered it again this year, as his Citroen was bomb proof despite the severity of some of the stages.'

So, why exactly is it Latvala's fault, again? What if Ford simply designed their car badly - it wouldn't seem to be the first time! Also, why does the person they quote talk about Safari cars as if they are still made? How old is the quote? Silly wrc.com.

[Juha_Koo]

WRC.com being stupid again:

"Like the absolute professional that he also is, Malcolm Wilson refuses to apportion blame to Latvala for the suspension breakage that cost him the rally win, but the truth is that these things don’t tend to break on their own."

Maybe you can tell me how to make suspension link so strong that it survives the impact with a big rock at 120+ kph.

[tfp]

Maybe you can tell me how to make suspension link so strong that it survives the impact with a big rock at 120+ kph.

Mystical forces:-) I guess it doesn't matter how strong you make a car or what you make it out of, if you hit something hard enough, its going to break.

[Rallyper]

Sometimes you have time to avoid a big stone. Sometimes you dont. Obviousily JML hadnt time to avoid impact. The result was crusual to him of course.

Was the stone still there on the road waiting for the cars to come?

[tfp]

Is this case ongoing? Or has it been closed? The roundabout thing, I mean.

[Gard]

World Rally Championship - Results - Rally Argentina
It is between split 6 and split 7.
Jari Matti -1.9 up on loeb next split +0.8 down and at Finish -2 sec
Jari-matti -6.5 on Ogier and next split -5.5 up on Ogier and finally -6.7 up on Ogier
So, compared to Ogier he gained approximately 2.5 sec in two and half minutes but there he lost approximately 1 sec, that is around 3.5 sec
Compare Mikko and Ogier
Mikko was approximately sec or 2 faster than Ogier in Split 6 and final sections but was 5.2 sec slower than Ogier on split 7.
Compare Mikko and Loeb
he had approximately the same speed in split3, 4, 5, 6 (lost only 0.4 sec) and in final split he was 5.5 sec slower than Loeb. and only 1.8 sec slower than Loeb on final section. So, it is just around 4 sec.

Except for Mikko. Nothing indicates that the citroens gained anything. JM was +2 to Loeb at finish and continued a loosing trend.

[JAM]

Except for Mikko. Nothing indicates that the citroens gained anything. JM was +2 to Loeb at finish and continued a loosing trend.

I look at the video and see Citroen gaining more than 3 seconds cuting off the roundabout.

By other words, its obvious that if Citroen would had gone by the inside of the roundabout (lik Fords) would had made at least 3 seconds more on the stage.

We should look at that place exactly, not the whole stage.

[cosmicpanda]

Maybe you can tell me how to make suspension link so strong that it survives the impact with a big rock at 120+ kph.

Well, quite. I'm not sure if you're asking me rhetorically or not...

[bowler]

Is this case ongoing? Or has it been closed? The roundabout thing, I mean.

closed

[MikeD]

I look at the video and see Citroen gaining more than 3 seconds cuting off the roundabout.

By other words, its obvious that if Citroen would had gone by the inside of the roundabout (lik Fords) would had made at least 3 seconds more on the stage.

It's irrelevant because Loeb's 1 minute penalty didn't fit the crime so he still beat Hirvonen by 59 sec. Loeb is clearly the deserved winner! Case closed.