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13th February 2011, 02:23 #1
Shootout thread
What does everybody think of the way the cars are driving?
Looks like Cousin Carl just made his first improper lane change of the year.N.Hayden L.Hamilton D.Earnhardt R.Gordon S.Speed T.Stewart J.P.Montoya G.Rahal Ferrari Lotus
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13th February 2011, 02:26 #2
& now Kyle just lost it. :-)
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13th February 2011, 03:13 #3
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I do like the faster laps, but wish they would lift.
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13th February 2011, 03:24 #4
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Harvick was hitting the rev limiter the last 15 laps.....they were FLYING out there tonight. And the stupid yellow line rule screws up another good finish....
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13th February 2011, 04:32 #5
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The yellow line rule still prevents more big ones than it causes. That's all anyone has or should ever ask of it.
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13th February 2011, 04:58 #6
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I'm not sure what I think about the way the cars are driving other than the're really fast. Several cars ran above the 200 mph mark. The single car runs don't seem to work very well. The driver who doesn't have a drafting partner seems to be SOL. There was some passing but not as much as there was before. A few of the drivers who were interviewed after they wrecked out said they were having a blast so I guess that's a good thing.
I think the RCR cars were really stout. The Burton/Harvick hookup was amazing until they got separated. The #24/#29 combo didn't seem to work as well as the #31/#29 one. I was happy to see Dale Jr doing so well until he got dumped. It was also nice to see Newman out front. But, as he said, he was a sitting duck and who didn't know he was?
Maybe I was expecting too much from tonight's race because of my own racing withdrawal. It wasn't a bad race except for the wrecks which I don't like. I just didn't think it was all that exciting. Thursday's races are usually much different from the Shootout because the stakes are different. I'll be glued to the TV Thursday afternoon."You win some, lose some, and wreck some." - Dale Earnhardt
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13th February 2011, 06:07 #7
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NASCAR unveiled their new Daytona Superspeedway package. The cars have 8 wheels, 4-wheel drive, 2 drivers and are powered by a restricted split-block v16 capable of 200+mph. Quite odd. The Shootout saw the best drivers out there trying to get a paycheck and not tear up equipment. I think the 500, OTOH, is going to be a derby.
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13th February 2011, 07:21 #8
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Here we go again
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Originally Posted Oct 20, 2008 by me:
By rule, Tony won the race.Period
But the rule SUCKS.
I said that when Jeff Gordon dumped Kevin Harvick in the 2002 Daytona 500 just before the entrance to turn 1 causing the big one. The reason why he did it? Because Harvick blocked him down and he had only two choices. Go below the line, lift, and lose a ton of positions, or hold his line and dump Harvick. He did what he had to to keep from getting penalized (either by NASCAR or self imposed by lifting).
I said that when Tony Stewart was penalized in the 2001 Pepsi 400 in the closing laps after being smacked down below the line (I wanna say the offender was Sterling Marlin but I don't remember for sure). Does anybody remember the video of Tony Stewart all up in Gary Nelson's grill after the race with Joe Gibbs straining to hold him back?
I said that when Kenny Wallace had his 1st decent finish in a long time wiped out at Talledega in 2003 when he got
pushed down below the yellow line in the tri-oval on the last lap (in exactly the same spot Regan Smith was in this year).
If the rule had been effect pre-2001:
Rusty Wallace would have won at least 1 Daytona 500;
Jeff Gordon would be two wins shorter ('97 and '99 500's) when he passed on the APRON going into turn 1 (Wallace was one victim and I think Elliot was the other)
Dale Sr would not have had win #76 (his left side tires were in the GRASS down the backstretch on one of those final laps when he went 18th to 1st in the 2000 Winston 500 (and the million $ fan would have been PISSED, remember the no bull 5?)
The rule is in place for "safety reasons". Riiigght. If you believe that I have some swamp land in central Florida for sale, too.
If its such a safety concern, show me video of just one big wreck, at either Daytona or Talladega, that was caused by someone going down there to make a pass. Show me one, just one, and I'll shut up for good. Some of you on here have large video collections so this shouldn't be to hard to do, if there is one.
If its such a safety concern, why is it not the rule at EVERY TRACK? Why, on 32 weekends every year, do I have to listen to an announcer almost apologize for a great pass we just saw, painfully explaining that its not out of bounds to do that here at Track X, only Daytona and Talladega?
If its such a safety concern, impose it everywhere (please don't, i'm being sarcastic because I don't believe it is).
I've already given an example of one caused BY the rule.
Going forward, what message did nascar send to Regan Smith? What they said to him, and all the other drivers, is the next time somone comes towards you like that, put them in the fence and drive on. It almost worked for Gordon in '02. Harvick and most of the rest of the field was torn up, Gordon was leading on a late race restart when he was spun out of line by Sterling Marlin causing the damage that Sterling was penalized for fixing during the red flag. If that didn't happen Gordon would have easily won, all of his competition was taken out in the big wreck.
The only the the rule has accomplished was that it has given NASCAR another tool for managing the outcomes of the races, right up there with freezing the field..Nascar gets to say who goes where, instead of the racers deciding that on the track
Pull those belts tight because next years plate races will be very interesting.Man, sometimes I feel like I'm clairvoyant-why can't I be that way when I'm about to buy a lottery ticket or place a bet???
Originally posted by me after the 2009 Daytona 500
...No body seemed to really agree with me then, but this weekend there were two more wrecks were the yellow line rule at least partially contributed to hem; this one here, and the one in the NNS race when David Ragan dumped Mike Bliss in the trioval during the later stages of the race. In that deal it looked like Ragan finally did what a lot of Drivers have been saying the need to start doing. He put his left side tires in the line then didn't budge another inch when Bliss came down on him, and Bliss drove right across his nose. He could have lifted, but that would have cost him momentum and several positions on the track; or, he could have dropped down and passed him and been penalized for it. Instead Bliss penalized himself on Ragan's nose. I gave it a
I can think of MANY problems caused by yellow line rule:
1) 2002 Daytona 500. Harvick was leading the race and Jeff Gordon had a run on him. Harvick blocked him down to the line, Jeff refused to lift or go below the line, almost 20 cars taken out of the race. Poetic justice in same race: Jeff blocks Sterling Marlin to the line on a late race restart, Sterling dumps Jeff, and Ward Burton wins the 500
2) 2001 Pepsi 400. Tony Stewart gets drilled in the right side door by another car (replays showed that Stewart was hit) and Stewart goes below the line with 5 laps to go. Stewart was black flagged with 3 to go, refused to heed the black flag because the other car should have been penalized, too, ends up being scored the first car 1 lap down; comes seriously close to decking then Winston Cup Series director Gary Nelson.
3) 2003 Talledega (not sure if spring or fall). Kenny wallace gets forced below the line by another car as they are coming to the line, finishing 3rd. Penalized back to being 1st car 1 lap down, and again the offending car gets off scot free
4) 2003 EA Sports 500-Talledega. Elliot Sadler takes a wild ride, flipping several times because he tried to block Kurt Busch just before going into turn 3. Kurt held his line, the offending car paid the price (starting to see a pattern yet?)
5) 2008 Amp Energy 500. Regan Smith has huge run on
Tony Stewart. Tony Stewart blocks Regan below the line.
Regan Smith gets penalized to the end of the lead lap finsihing 18th. Tony Stewart gets no penalty for running him down there, given the race win.
6) 2009 Daytona 500. Dale Jr has huge run on Brian Vickers down the backstretch. Brian Vickers blocks Jr below the line. Because of the rule, Instead of just completeing the pass safely, Jr checks up, but not enough, trying to stay close to Vickers and not lose any momentum, Jr jumps back up above the line, dumping Vickers and taking out several cars.
7) 2009 Aarons 499. You just saw what happened today, don't make me have to repeat it.
And Those are just the penalties and wrecks caused by the rule. How about the non-calls, Like Jr passing Kenseth below the line in 2003? Instead of praisng an awesome racing move on Dale Jr's part, we are still, 6 years later, arguing whether or not NASCAR showed favoritism in not penalizng Jr for it. It shouldn't have even been an issue in the first place.
In the in both the '97 and '99 Daytona 500's, Jeff Gordon passed on the apron entering turn 1. Both passes were race winning moves. In the 2000 Die Hard 500 at 'Dega, Jeff passed Mike Skinner below the line (it was white then) just past the entrance to pit road, also a race winning move. And who can forget Dale Sr's run to the front in the 2000 Winston 500 during those last 4 laps. The 3 had his left side tires in the grass going down the back stretch, trying desperately to get to the front...he got it done! None of these wins would have happend had the rule been in place. Both Jeff Gordon and Dale Sr would have been penalized, and the victory awarded to someone else if events played out exactly the same way, or there would have been big wrecks causing those races to end under caution had someone blocked them, and they probably wouldn't have won, anyway (there was now GWC back then)
If it's soo bloody dangerous to go down there, then why on God's green earth is it legal at California and Las Vegas or any other freakin' oval they race on?!?!?!?
Not mentioned anywhere above is the last 2 truck races at Daytona, and several plate races in the nationwide series (anyone remember the nationwide summer race at Daytona when one of the DEI cars-can't remember if it was Waltrip or Junebug driving-got dumped by Mike Wallace who went on to win-in the early part of the decade?)
So tell me, what has it prevented again? 'Cause I'm just not seeing it.#4 2014 Sprint Cup Champion, 2007 Daytona 500,2003 Brickyard 400,2x Coke 600,2014 Southern 500 Champ: 962 starts,90 wins, 345 T5s, 544 T10s, 44 poles, 2x NNS champ
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13th February 2011, 12:10 #9
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Originally Posted by slorydn1
As for the yellow line rule, IMHO it is just another artificial NASCAR tool to control competition. All Newman had to do to keep from being passed was move up a half lane and sucker Hamlin below the line. Bye bye Denny.I read it on the internet, so it must be true
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13th February 2011, 12:38 #10
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I understand the yellow line rule and agree with it most of the time; but I think that when you are coming to the checkered that it shouldn't be in play. If they want to go 5 wide from the grass to the wall , let them.
Hamilton is working his butt off in this race. Sainz is such a whiner.
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